This is a discussion on SNG Wizard 2 is telling me to push here??? within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; I have 11bb it is folded to me in the cutoff I hold K4, is a push correct play?? I folded I prob would have
I have 11bb it is folded to me in the cutoff I hold K4, is a push correct play?? I folded I prob would have shoved with 9bb or less. Thoughts please....
PokerStars Hand #111402450298: Tournament #861954039, $7.34+$0.66 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2014/02/06 22:14:31 WET [2014/02/06 17:14:31 ET]
Table '861954039 20' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: lijey (25807 in chips)
Seat 2: bboykrill (17252 in chips)
Seat 3: grekargy (33904 in chips)
Seat 4: meeke23 (3808 in chips)
Seat 6: MatiAAsK (24321 in chips)
Seat 7: Rcaridade22 (15297 in chips)
Seat 8: armagedon427 (16741 in chips)
Seat 9: Jodla111 (20327 in chips)
lijey: posts the ante 150
bboykrill: posts the ante 150
grekargy: posts the ante 150
meeke23: posts the ante 150
MatiAAsK: posts the ante 150
Rcaridade22: posts the ante 150
armagedon427: posts the ante 150
Jodla111: posts the ante 150
meeke23: posts small blind 800
MatiAAsK: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bboykrill [4d Kc]
grekargy: raises 1600 to 3200
MatiAAsK: calls 1600
*** FLOP *** [3d Qh Tc]
MatiAAsK: bets 20971 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (20971) returned to MatiAAsK
MatiAAsK collected 8400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8400 | Rake 0
Board [3d Qh Tc]
Seat 1: lijey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bboykrill folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: grekargy (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: meeke23 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MatiAAsK (big blind) collected (8400)
Seat 7: Rcaridade22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: armagedon427 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Jodla111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
7th February 2014, 12:07 AM
Game: NL Holdem
Did you go thru and set the ranges for the opponents left in the hand? SNG WIZ is known to not have good default ranges.
7th February 2014, 2:24 PM
Online Poker at: Poker Stars
def looks light to me. Was it the money or ft bubble? Unsure if Sng Wiz takes this into account, but if so we can shove wider vs other average stacks.
7th February 2014, 2:35 PM
It depends on what parameters you choose for calling ranges and edge, but in general, more people's push-fold games err on the side of not pushing enough than too much.
7th February 2014, 3:42 PM
This is a no-brainer and a snap fold.
I used to play a lot of different SNGs and i have also used this tool to analyze my game. You can't really use SNG WiZ in this particular situation. SNGWiz is an ICM software which analyzes the endgame and to use it effectivelly you have to make sure that you're at least 5-handed (preferably on the bubble) in a 9-max SNG with a standard 50:30:20 payout structure. This is because of the ICM considerations, and there is no such thing as ICM when there are still 9 people playing. I can see you're still 9-handed, so, using SNGwiz in this situation isn't optimal. The second important factor to consider when using SNGwiz or similar software should be the bliind level, antes and the effective stack size. SNGWiz provides the most accurate decision when the blinds are large compared to the stacks, when there are antes in play and with the effective stack below 10BB (preferably below 8bb). Next, you have to be able to assign somewhat accurate hand ranges (shoving and calling) to your opponents. If you can do this accurately, you''ll get more reliable results by SNGWiz.
So I think we don't even have a decision here, and this is a clear fold.
Also, if you really like to analyze your SNG endgame, I would recommend using software like ICMIZER, much better alternative than SNGWiz imo.
7th February 2014, 3:53 PM
Poker at: pokerstars
Game: Mixed Games
re: Poker & SNG Wizard 2 is telling me to push here???
It's a fine fold.
9th February 2014, 10:29 AM
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
Suppose this is a 180-man with about 16 players left, right ?
In that case I think you have to do something pretty soon, but I would wait for a better spot than pushing K4o here.
I don't use SNG wizard tho, so can't say anything about that, but as ramdeebam said, I think folding is fine.