This is a discussion on Push/fold strategy with action already occurring? within the online poker forums, in the Tournament Poker section; I've been playing $5.50 and $7.70 MTTs and have been using push/fold charts to determine when I move all-in with a short stack. However, I've
I've been playing $5.50 and $7.70 MTTs and have been using push/fold charts to determine when I move all-in with a short stack. However, I've recently been running into situations where there is action ahead of me - this is not a factor that the push/fold charts take into account. Up until now, I would just go with my gut instinct, but I'm starting to wonder if there is any information/help for this.
Is there a more in-depth table/guide to push fold strategy somewhere ? Or any rule of thumb for how previous action affects the strategy?
-five big blinds with A4s in UTG+1 position after the UTG player limps in
-four big blinds left behind with 73s in BB position after the UTG player limps in and the UTG+2 player raises to 3.5xbb
-three big blinds left behind with JTo in SB position after the UTG player raises to 2xbb
I folded in all three hands, but I'm not sure that they were correct folds.
19th May 2016, 12:42 AM
Online Poker at: PStars
Game: STT / MTSNG
what games do you play? in mtt the first is a shove, but in an STT it's likely a fold.
If you are jamming over limpers you just have to shove ranges that dominate their range. So if he limps 50% of hands, jam around 25% of hands, then take into account position and how many left to act, stage of game etc to tweak it. So if you have many players left you might want to only shove 10% of hands, but you only have 6bb and your desperate in an MTT, so you want to readjust that to like20-25% again to account for that. also take into account player tendancies, you can shove much wider over a limper who you know also folds alot. but a limper that calls with a wide range you will have to tighten up again.
you will have to work with ICM calculators to get a feel for what ranges to jam over limpers, also
19th May 2016, 1:51 AM
Poker at: ACR
Fold on all 3 is correct imho. You need to wait as long as you can for a monster when you are that short stacked. If you have A-4 in late position and it folds to you then shove but not at UTG+1 with a limper in already.
19th May 2016, 5:08 PM
Online Poker at: Carbon Poker
re: Poker & Push/fold strategy with action already occurring?
Thanks for the advice! Those hands all came from a $7.70 nlhe mtt on Carbon, ten minute levels, about 30-35 people left with 9 making the money.
Making sure my shove range dominates their limping range is a good idea. I will have to look into that.
Is ICM something that I have to consider when I'm a short stack with money far away, though?
19th May 2016, 5:19 PM
Poker at: Carbon Poker
On the topic of push/shove, I actually have a situation regarding ICM that I'd like to ask about.
I made a $5.50 final table this morning and ended up getting to the final 7 with the 4th biggest stack. The interesting thing was that we had a really long bubble period for this tournament at the top 14. So by the time we got to the final 7, the blinds were huge and there were a few really short stacks. There was also a huge chip leader (2/3 chips in play) who was raising almost every hand.
I opted to fold pretty much every hand until I got the final four with the 3rd biggest stack. Chip counts at this point were something like 220k, 30k, 22k (me), and 17k with blinds of 1,250/2,500. The 2nd and 4th place players were pretty much doing the same thing that I was.
I busted in 4th when I shoved A9s on the button and ran into pocket tens. I am happy with the finish, but think I probably could have gotten third if I had just continued folding most hands.
Is it ever appropriate to shove in situations like this when I am not in last place? Is it the correct strategy to just play super tight when the chip leader still has cards?