Playing the bubble of a fr turbo vs loose callers , what to do?

After analyzing a lot with icmizer , the correct adjustment is to push very tight with 4 people left against loose players , i may push only ATo ,A9s , 77+ from the button , there is a problem with it though , if i push so tight then i risk to get blinded out and diminish my chance to win the tournament.

I need a back up plan in case this *pushing tight* plan fails so i can prevent my self to get blind out and retain the chance to win , it feels like its impossible to win , wider pushing is -ev but on the other hand blind out dont help to win tournaments.

When am i supposed to make a stand and make a -ev shove? is there a better option than pushing so tight vs loose players? is this type of game impossible to beat?

depends how loose you consider loose...

usually loose callers are loose pushers as well, depending on the level, so tightening your shove range and widening your calling range usually works well.

make sure you are not overestimating how wide these players will actually call you, keep in mind what stack sizes they call with when the do call 'loose'

you should make a "-ev" shove when you are stuck in future situations or you will lose your folding equity in future situations, that generally means if you are left with 3 BBs or less after the blinds hit you, making those shoves is generally better than blinding out.

yes calling wide vs loose players is generally great, a lot of people counter argue that you only have one way to win the pot, but you are just ahead or dominate loose shoving ranges so often.

no, no game is impossible to beat that i know of.

WiZZiM said:

depends how loose you consider loose...

usually loose callers are loose pushers as well, depending on the level, so tightening your shove range and widening your calling range usually works well.

make sure you are not overestimating how wide these players will actually call you, keep in mind what stack sizes they call with when the do call 'loose'

you should make a "-ev" shove when you are stuck in future situations or you will lose your folding equity in future situations, that generally means if you are left with 3 BBs or less after the blinds hit you, making those shoves is generally better than blinding out.

yes calling wide vs loose players is generally great, a lot of people counter argue that you only have one way to win the pot, but you are just ahead or dominate loose shoving ranges so often.

no, no game is impossible to beat that i know of.

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I think at micros you lose fold equity at 4bb , they easily call 4bb push but they still can fold vs 5bb , i think i should play tight until 7-6bb then switch to a more standar nash pushing range because the calling ranges match better now with nash and as last resort short push with anything before bb hits me at 5bb.

in general playing tight isn't really ideal, especially at micros, even if you get called a lot they will fold so often postflop that it's just so profitable being on the looser side of things.

Nash is rarely ever good in these games, you are simply missing out on a ton of spots by playing NASH. It's sort of defensive last resort way to play if players cannot be exploited, so while you will not make as many mistakes, you also cannot take advantage of other players mistakes. I'm going to link you to a post that might help and what i suspect you are going through, it's so easy to over adjust from shoving a loose range when you get a few loose calls, however adjusting may not be your best bet, any time you have to adjust to a tighter strategy it makes me worried, as blinding out is the worst thing you can do in these games.

http://www.bluefirepoker.com/blogs/featured/andycarlson/fear-in-sngs/

One last thing, non all in preflop plays in micros work, really, reaaaaly well. So try stuff like limp/jamming (with appropriate stack sizes). or raising half your stack and shoving flops, fish love to see flops and don't care how much they have to call to do so, but once they miss they tend to give up really easily, so take advantage of this general tendency. I do these plays with hands that may or may not be straight up profitable to shove preflop, if a hand is good enough to shvoe for x amount of BBs then it's usually better off straight jammed. But if you have to make one of these "-ev" shoves, then trying these things may give you a little more FE

hope this helps