Heads up sngs: Limping preflop against calling station and maniac in button?

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Actually, I am low stakes Heads up regular and I have a very big doubt on min raising on button with trash hands or AK, AQ hands when you are facing maniacs and calling stations?

Case I: facing a calling stations

When I am raising 2xBB against this kind of player, then they are going to call me. And c-betting against them with air out of question. So, why are you wasting one more big blind when you are going to make thin value bet in good hands to take his all money when you hit. (loose passive opponent hyper)

Case 2:- facing a maniac

When I am raising 2xBB then they are going to 3-bet me which is very bad because if i do not hit in flop then i have to lose 6-7BB but when i am limping, then i am going to lose 2-4 blinds raise. And if maniac limps with my min raise, then after he is going to bet against my c-bet in OOP or reraise my c-bet. (loose aggressive opponent hyper)

So, can you tell me that is this thinking right for my game against calling station or maniac? Limping is right for this kind of low stakes players

Players are loose aggressive or loose passive.

But against tight aggressive and tight passive, min raising is a right option but in low stakes, this kind of players are less than maniacs and calling stations.
 
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Get any hand with an Ace and shove. You're likely to have the best hand most of the time and if they're calling you all the time like you suggest it's free money in the long run.
 
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But it is a guess game and i am asking that limping is right or not?
 
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Hey, what stakes are playing?

I play regulary normal speed HU SNGs 3.5€/7€ (on pokerstars)

I will open (x2 BB, x2,5 BB) 80% of my hands when playing against a decent guy.

When we are talking about those two cases, I agree with you that limping is the best thing.

1) Calling station - if this guy never folds to an opening x2 BB or so, the best tactic is just limp in most of the hands and check it down if you dont hit.
I valuebet most of my pairs, bet draws on flop only (stop if they don't come out)... pretty straightforward - these guys are usually very passive so I just value bet them all the way and I'm not worried about being bluffed or so.
Infact, they are perfect opponents.

2)Aggro-Maniacs - I open only really strong hands (big pairs, AJ,AQ,AK), and limp other things and then call their raise (if it's not too big)
The biggest leak of this kind of opponents is that they are too aggressive and tend to overplay their hands really often. And they also play big pots OOP so I just let them take small pots until I take their whole stack in one pot. :)
 
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But it is a guess game and i am asking that limping is right or not?

I would rarely ever limp HU. Maybe only about 5-10% of my hands, if that. I would raise any playable hand the exact same amount every time. Why? Limp/flat calls are easy to fold when you hit a small part and the other guy gets aggro; however, once they invest any amount over a limp, many folks just cannot let go of weak holdings - calling a raise is an [Investment[/I] to them. More often than not, weak players limp. They do not get this concept.

That being said, someone who is a maniac, over betting preflop, you call more, raise less, seldom value bet (they will for you) and shove with semi-strong hands. As they bet wayyy too much, they eventually start seeing their stack erode quickly. Then they behave, or get clobbered.

And it's always a guessing game. That's the whole point, kind of.
 
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I would rarely ever limp HU. Maybe only about 5-10% of my hands, if that. I would raise any playable hand the exact same amount every time. Why? Limp/flat calls are easy to fold when you hit a small part and the other guy gets aggro; however, once they invest any amount over a limp, many folks just cannot let go of weak holdings - calling a raise is an [Investment[/i] to them. More often than not, weak players limp. They do not get this concept.

That being said, someone who is a maniac, over betting preflop, you call more, raise less, seldom value bet (they will for you) and shove with semi-strong hands. As they bet wayyy too much, they eventually start seeing their stack erode quickly. Then they behave, or get clobbered.

And it's always a guessing game. That's the whole point, kind of.

In my opinion, saying that mostly weak player limp is just wrong.
The key of winning this HU SNGs ( and poker in general) is adjusting to your opponent. If your opponent doesn't ever fold to your X2 BB opening - either open X3BB or X4BB or limp in.
No point in raising X2 BB with random hand, get called, you miss (happens most of the time :) ), cbet also gets called and then what? And when that happens 3 times in a row?
And those kind of players don't think of ''investments'' when playing poker - they have their mind set - if they have pair, they want to get to showdown (Talking about calling stations), so it doesn't matter if it's a limp pot or an opened one. They will call until he showdown.. seen that scenario a great number of times :)
 
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i hate limp its beter to min raise or fold . Dont limp specialy against bully. Stomp him big time
 
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dont make a min raise, bet 3 or 4 bb instead against these type of players. try not to bluff against these players because they are going to call you most of the time no matter what hand they have and when you hit a good flop make a big value bet or check raise to stacked him
 
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