Fighting the CL when you're mid-stack on the bubble

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Today I was playing a game and had about 3200 chips on the bubble. Blinds were 150/300. CL had around 7000 and was immediately to my left, other two stacks had 1700ish. Now CL started raising alot, probably knew what he was doing as I would have done the same, but it made me wonder...what can I do in this position? Normally I maintain my stack on the bubble by shoving on the BB when I'm in the SB. But in this case, the CL was the BB for me all the time, so i had to tighten up my shoving range considerably.

Now, let's say one of the SS's shove. Most of the time, the CL will be next to act after me, so that greatly hinders the range with which I can call a shove from the one of the SS's!

Furthermore, is it still correct to shove AK, AQ hands if I'm first to act, even with 2 other SS still present?

Basically, when analyzing this situation, it looked like the perfect storm for the mid-stack. The presence of the huge CL, his position on me, and the presence of the smaller stacks on the bubble make it questionable for me to aggress. Is the best option in this scenario to just fold everything except JJ+ until either A) our stack nears that of the smallest stack or B) one of the other stacks bust?
 
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jaded848 said:
Today I was playing a game and had about 3200 chips on the bubble. Blinds were 150/300. CL had around 7000 and was immediately to my left, other two stacks had 1700ish. Now CL started raising alot, probably knew what he was doing as I would have done the same, but it made me wonder...what can I do in this position?Sounds like your hancuffed a bit, not a lot you can do to counter it, you just have to hope one of the other two gets there chips in. your range has to be super tight in this spot, for obvious reasons. Normally I maintain my stack on the bubble by shoving on the BB when I'm in the SB. But in this case, the CL was the BB for me all the time, so i had to tighten up my shoving range considerably. oops, exactly what i wrote above :D

Now, let's say one of the SS's shove. Most of the time, the CL will be next to act after me, so that greatly hinders the range with which I can call a shove from the one of the SS's!

Furthermore, is it still correct to shove AK, AQ hands if I'm first to act, even with 2 other SS still present?Kind of depends on how many chips they have, but generally shoving is fine.

Basically, when analyzing this situation, it looked like the perfect storm for the mid-stack. The presence of the huge CL, his position on me, and the presence of the smaller stacks on the bubble make it questionable for me to aggress. Is the best option in this scenario to just fold everything except JJ+ until either A) our stack nears that of the smallest stackWell we don't want that to happen, but since were in good shape, one of the SS is going to have to double up soon, so we just have to wait it out, Using ICM, and making correct plays. If that results in us busting, so be it, But more often than not, one of the SS will make a mistake and we will be in the money. or B) one of the other stacks bust?
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The same thing happened again today, only CL was passive. Blinds were 250/500 and my stack was about 3800. Again he was to my left and there were 2 SS's that about about 2000 each. I had aggressed on his blind a couple of times, but I don't think I was doing it excessively. Anyway I figured he would call with any pair, A8s+, ATo+, KT+, or QJ+. I shoved my K8s and he called with ATs.....SnG Powertools says it was the correct play, but man I hate bubbling there with two 2000 stacks still around! Makes me sick...
 
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jaded848 said:
The same thing happened again today, only CL was passive. Blinds were 250/500 and my stack was about 3800. Again he was to my left and there were 2 SS's that about about 2000 each. I had aggressed on his blind a couple of times, but I don't think I was doing it excessively. Anyway I figured he would call with any pair, A8s+, ATo+, KT+, or QJ+. I shoved my K8s and he called with ATs.....SnG Powertools says it was the correct play, but man I hate bubbling there with two 2000 stacks still around! Makes me sick...
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It worries me when people say, 'sng wizard told me its a good shove'. You may not have the right range of your opponant, you may not have set the correct edge. Post these in the HA section and ill try and run you through some edge stuff, as well as getting correct calling ranges, etc. with such a wide calling range i dont think that shoving is very good, actually shoving is pretty bad, as we are nearly double the next two stacks when they are about to be put through the blinds. So i don't know what you've done exactly, but shoving here is probably close to a .50 mistake at a glance.
 
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