Bob Tiger/Irex/Zack teach me the key to rebuys plz

naruto_miu · Jan 29, 2009

Look I wont kill you all with a long boring explaination of why I want to venture into these, so count yourselves lucky

. I would like as possible througho explanation if you don't mind. I know I'm really asking for alot here, and I realize that your all busy ppl

, I know you all have tournies to win, and money to make

. Yet I seriously want to A)Win more, B) Want to finally (Pardon my language/metaphore all), Pop My Cherry in a big tourney win, &C) Want to taste big money.

Now why rebuys? Well simply put I think they got more money then Normal ones, and usually the one I play is the $3.30 on stars, with gurantte of 40k.

Now I've never cashed in any

. I swear I'm not as bad as I use to be

(So there's still a chance for me). I'm not asking for me to sweat you or anythiing

. All I'm really asking for is your combined Ingenious thought processes (God almighty I'm to sick

, you all like that shit right)?

Not to mention everyone in the not so great players on CC, who want to become as great as you all, will also learn something new

.

So with this I beg you plz help us lost poker players find the light, to poker bliss

BelgoSuisse · Jan 29, 2009

Well, i don't play those, but the basic theory is that

1. since payout structures are very top heavy, we should aim for victory and not care about getting in the money or not

2. in order to win, we need to have one of the big stacks at the end of the rebuy period

3. in order to have that big stack, we should be willing to take coin flips for all our chips during the rebuy period.

Also, rebuys typically allow for a lot more deep stack play, so having a solid cash game foundation helps.

bob_tiger · Jan 29, 2009

I guess I could take an easy way out pretend to be Zach and say tourneys suck

but I guess I will take the long road. The main difference between rebuys and regular tourneys is the first hour, you might think he is a f**king genius, something I don't already know but in all seriousness you need a good understanding of strategy for first hour.
I will try to cover everything I can think of at the moment but I'm kind of sleep so might have to comeback tommorow and add more.
Bank Roll Management- this depends on your strategy for the first hour and how many times you are willing to rebuy. General rule of thumb for me is I like to buy in immediatly rebuy and if I lose I'm willing to double rebuy and then add on at the end of first hour. So the 3.30 Rebuys you shouldn't treat as 3$ MTTs, you should treat them as 15$ MTTs and have appropriate amount of buy ins. Never leave the tourney during first hour, excuse my french but thats just plain f**king retarded, there is so much dead money that it makes it so -EV to ever quit during first hour.

First hour strategy- Like I have said earlier, you need to understand this pretty well. There are so many things to cover so I will just try to cover basics. Main thing is just recognizing different type of players, overall there are 3, 1- the idiots that play loose with no strategy, 2- the nits that try to get it all in with high PP and just basically playing nitty, and 3- the good players that are trying to get a certain table image and have a strategy.
Basically in first 5-10 minutes you can figure out the players that are nitty and the ones that are ready to "Gambol". Personally at the very beginning I'm willing to take a flip and then just play some pokahz post flop. Playing suited connectors is very profitable and in position I usually like to come into the pot raising with them to build it up since many people are willing to stack pretty much any top pair hands. Don't suggest making bluffs since you will be called down light a lot so C-bet and usually give up if you are called unless you have a good read that villain is on a draw. Mainly you just need good solid post flop understanding and just not being scared to take chances with solid hands to build up a nice stack to play with. I know a lot of people make this mistake, they will lose their stack with like 5 minutes left before break and they will quit, like I mentioned earlier never quit during first hour. Always add on. Always rebuy if you can get more chips than why not use the opportunity.
Play after 1st hour- mainly its like a regular freeze out mtt except at the beginning of 2nd hour. Most TAG players that just rebought will play really nitty and most donks that just rebought will play any two. Mainly not much different though.
I think I got basics down, but basically to win Rebuys you need good post flop play since there are more chippies involved thats why I do like them, more chips=more fun. And also you want to have good 1st hour strategy that will give you a certain image after first hour and a good healthy stack.

naruto_miu · Jan 29, 2009

bob_tiger said:
I guess I could take an easy way out pretend to be Zach and say tourneys suck but I guess I will take the long road. The main difference between rebuys and regular tourneys is the first hour, you might think he is a f**king genius, something I don't already know but in all seriousness you need a good understanding of strategy for first hour.
I will try to cover everything I can think of at the moment but I'm kind of sleep so might have to comeback tommorow and add more.
Bank Roll Management- this depends on your strategy for the first hour and how many times you are willing to rebuy. General rule of thumb for me is I like to buy in immediatly rebuy and if I lose I'm willing to double rebuy and then add on at the end of first hour. So the 3.30 Rebuys you shouldn't treat as 3$ MTTs, you should treat them as 15$ MTTs and have appropriate amount of buy ins. Never leave the tourney during first hour, excuse my french but thats just plain f**king retarded, there is so much dead money that it makes it so -EV to ever quit during first hour.

First hour strategy- Like I have said earlier, you need to understand this pretty well. There are so many things to cover so I will just try to cover basics. Main thing is just recognizing different type of players, overall there are 3, 1- the idiots that play loose with no strategy, 2- the nits that try to get it all in with high PP and just basically playing nitty, and 3- the good players that are trying to get a certain table image and have a strategy.
Basically in first 5-10 minutes you can figure out the players that are nitty and the ones that are ready to "Gambol". Personally at the very beginning I'm willing to take a flip and then just play some pokahz post flop. Playing suited connectors is very profitable and in position I usually like to come into the pot raising with them to build it up since many people are willing to stack pretty much any top pair hands. Don't suggest making bluffs since you will be called down light a lot so C-bet and usually give up if you are called unless you have a good read that villain is on a draw. Mainly you just need good solid post flop understanding and just not being scared to take chances with solid hands to build up a nice stack to play with. I know a lot of people make this mistake, they will lose their stack with like 5 minutes left before break and they will quit, like I mentioned earlier never quit during first hour. Always add on. Always rebuy if you can get more chips than why not use the opportunity.
Play after 1st hour- mainly its like a regular freeze out mtt except at the beginning of 2nd hour. Most TAG players that just rebought will play really nitty and most donks that just rebought will play any two. Mainly not much different though.
I think I got basics down, but basically to win Rebuys you need good post flop play since there are more chippies involved thats why I do like them, more chips=more fun. And also you want to have good 1st hour strategy that will give you a certain image after first hour and a good healthy stack.

Thx BT honestly for your Input, I'll try my best to work on it. It's just damn hard (Not the first hour) but the 2nd hour, cuz those maniacs you spoke about are still lurking around and are still willing to ship-it-in with any 2 cards like you spoke about. I guess my biggest problem is folding mid pairs in the 2nd hour even though I'm pretty sure I got him (Just the thought of that player making one of his moves, and getting rewarded truelly pisseses me of

). Which Is the main reason I posted this question for you fine Mtt players!

Here's something what do you do with mid pair? Do you fold them to an allin (After rebuy period). Now mind you it's a maniac that's pushing

! So those mid pairs do tend to shrink up alot (Yet you know you have his range either crushed or your a 60/40, what now?

That's how I usually lose in these things, which Is what I can't make up my mind about.

Mid Pair Allin call/ Mid Pair Allin Fold?

bob_tiger · Jan 29, 2009

naruto_miu said:
Thx BT honestly for your Input, I'll try my best to work on it. It's just damn hard (Not the first hour) but the 2nd hour, cuz those maniacs you spoke about are still lurking around and are still willing to ship-it-in with any 2 cards like you spoke about. I guess my biggest problem is folding mid pairs in the 2nd hour even though I'm pretty sure I got him (Just the thought of that player making one of his moves, and getting rewarded truelly pisseses me of ). Which Is the main reason I posted this question for you fine Mtt players!

Here's something what do you do with mid pair? Do you fold them to an allin (After rebuy period). Now mind you it's a maniac that's pushing ! So those mid pairs do tend to shrink up alot (Yet you know you have his range either crushed or your a 60/40, what now?

That's how I usually lose in these things, which Is what I can't make up my mind about.

Mid Pair Allin call/ Mid Pair Allin Fold?

I know we all hate this answer but I have to say it, it depends.
Blinds, your stack, their stack, avg stack, position on the table, all of that good stuff. Personally I'm willing to take flips for small % of my stack, 10-15% depending on the situation but if the other player is very bad, why not just be patient and take it away post flop. I believe Rex might of made a vid or two on rebuys..not sure.

Oh yea, and don't worry about those maniacs, they are just dead money in the long run which is +EV to us

naruto_miu · Jan 29, 2009

bob_tiger said:
I know we all hate this answer but I have to say it, it depends.
Blinds, your stack, their stack, avg stack, position on the table, all of that good stuff. Personally I'm willing to take flips for small % of my stack, 10-15% depending on the situation but if the other player is very bad, why not just be patient and take it away post flop. I believe Rex might of made a vid or two on rebuys..not sure.

Oh yea, and don't worry about those maniacs, they are just dead money in the long run which is +EV to us

Thx BT, I'm actually in a Rebuy as we speak

. Were in 2nd hour of it (On break right now). I was doing exceptionally well, untill I took a horrendous flip and lost 80% of my stack. Yet the thing is it was'nt an allin preflop loss, it was a made straight against a boat, and he hit Quads loss

. Currently trying to recooperate and recover that loss, but it's extremly hard.

Egon Towst · Jan 29, 2009

bob_tiger said:
I know a lot of people make this mistake, they will lose their stack with like 5 minutes left before break and they will quit, like I mentioned earlier never quit during first hour.

Hmm. Surely that depends, BT ?

Sometimes the average stack size is so high at this stage that you will double rebuy and then addon and still be in the bottom half when the second hour begins.

In that case, I`d suggest you would do better to save your money and begin again in the next tourney on a level playing field.

bob_tiger · Jan 29, 2009

Egon Towst said:
Hmm. Surely that depends, BT ?

Sometimes the average stack size is so high at this stage that you will double rebuy and then addon and still be in the bottom half when the second hour begins.

In that case, I`d suggest you would do better to save your money and begin again in the next tourney on a level playing field.

thats why I said you have to understand BRM well for these. I mean I guess people could make arguments that its better to save money and play another tourney but I guess I'm just not the type that gives up very easily

. You understand what I'm saying though right? There are so many people that are just trying to get lucky get a big stack and hit big and if they lose they just quit= aka making them free moneyz to us, so in long run staying for 2nd hour is profitable even with a smaller than avg stack well for me anyways.

Egon Towst · Jan 29, 2009

bob_tiger said:
You understand what I'm saying though right?

Certainly. Rebuys give the better players a bigger edge. I agree.

I was just pointing out that, at the very end of the first hour, you could be in a situation where you are, in effect, paying to join the freezeout stage with a short stack.

bob_tiger · Jan 29, 2009

Egon Towst said:
Certainly. Rebuys give the better players a bigger edge. I agree.

I was just pointing out that, at the very end of the first hour, you could be in a situation where you are, in effect, paying to join the freezeout stage with a short stack.

I also understand what you are saying, but the play doesn't immediatly get better, a lot of times there are still players left who will have a similar stack and will stack off very light meaning we have a good chance of doubling up and being an avg stack ourselves. That's just my opinion, if I put an hour in to the table and I got the money to give it last one chance knowing that I have a good chance to double up against players that will make mistakes is just too great for me to quit.

Lemlywinks · Jan 29, 2009

It's definitely doable with just 5k chips to start after the break

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