Big sunday satellite strategy

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Below is my take on how to play the small satellites for the big sunday games on pokerstars. Considering i'm in no way or form a pro or to be considered a knowledge bank on these tournaments, any feedback and advice is highly apreciated.

These MTT's are found in the Tourney / Satellite / Rebuy area of the Pokerstars lobby.

After some trial and error, i have decided to focus on the cheap ones with the steepest reward structure, i.e. the ones with a $2.22 or $3.33 buyin: These pay a ticket to the winners and the remaining price money goes to the next player. The structure in the similar MTT's divide the remaining price money, so that a number of players gets $10 or $12. Guess its a matter of taste, really.

I focus on the cheapest ones available mostly because of my BR. And since i only want to participate in the big sunday games every other week because of my work, i'm mostly playing these to get my hands on the T$'s you get when you cancel your registration.

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Why satellites instead of plain old Rebuy Turbo MTT's or the like? I find satellites are softer and although they dont add directly to your BR, they do give you funds (in the form of T$) for further playing normal dollar price MTT's. So it's basically a question of finding a soft BR feeder that has gotten me into these.

Running at 2 x Turbo and having rebuys, you can imagine the action is pretty brisk. And you can actually play these as a complete donkfest, just throwing all your chips in with *random hand #1* till you get enough of a stack to be worth continuing in a more subdued or normal playmode.

I have found that the valuable strategy is a little bit more subtle (though not much). The price of entry to these tourneys is low enough that your normal rule of No Limpers Allowed and the like doesnt really come into play. Frustration will ensue if you play these expecting solid NLHE. (Come to think of it, there are several similarities between this and the Double or Nothing strategies explained elsewehere on CC).

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Note that across the various parts of the tourney described below, i will naturally play big pairs hard. Ace + "something" is more tricky and i prefer to limp in with those. In most cases you need to hit something on the board simply because there will be several players in there. Overcards are rarely rewarded untill the very end.

I divide the tourneys into four parts:

1. First half hour. No antes, blinds end at 100/200. Time for "research" hands, meaning that in this period i will call / limp alot, hoping to make a hand and hitting hard when i do. Aim is to reach at least 10k chips in this time slot. Be prepared to see alot of hands and throw alot away. Keep your stack at around the 4k mark. In this period you get a sense of your opponents range and doing a few shoves on the more vulnerable opponents can be valuable, providing you with that 10k chipstack you need. Depending on your BR, you do actually need to think about it though :D
#Hand selection:
Raise - Ace + broadway cards, suited connectors above 7, low pairs.
Limping - Broadway hands with no ace, connected cards, suited cards, A + rag.

2. Second half hour. Antes are introduced and combined with rising blinds this makes pot stealing viable. Hopefully you are now in a position to select hands more carefully. You will have several 4k base stacks at the table who will be looking to double up or better. So if your stack is healthy, you can now start taking advantage of allins shoved in there with a very wide range of hands.
#Hand selection:
Raise - Small pairs, Ace + broadway, connected broadway no ace.
Limp - Ace + rag, broadway no ace, suited connectors above 7.

3. After rebuy ends. Normally 3-4 tables or more playing. A healthy stack still allows you to take advantage of the ones coming into this period with a base stack (now at double rebuy plus addon = 9k). Blinds and antes are now expensive for the shortstacks, so your aim is to stay alive and at minimum pick up a few of the allins from the short stacks.
#Hand selection:
Raise - Pairs above 7, AK, AQ, AJ, suited broadway hands
Limp - broadway hands, A + rag, small pairs,

4. Final table. You will be facing stacks from 2-3 BB and upwards. If you're healthy, we are once again in tight aggro mode. Pick your spots to steal the blinds and try to get a read on opponent range. Naturally your range against opponents you have well covered is wider than against the big stacks. Resteal against a bigstack with caution. Because of the structure and speed of these tournaments some players will shove anything right back in your face simply because that is what they have been doing all along.

If your stack at the final table is healthy, stealing blinds and antes helps provoke the small stacks to shove dead hands out of frustration. These situations is our final table bread and butter. Often just limping into a pot and then raising the flop against a shortstack will give you the win.

When the final table is down to 4-5 players, your normal final table rules apply: Any ace is nice, a pair is very nice and an top-pairing the board most often will give the win.

Remember its a question of survival. Theres no price for third place here. Winners get a ticket, second place get the remaining $'s and third place get zip-nada-nothing. So survive and get

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my first thought was that this strategy would be too much of a longshot .......but 3/47 isnt that bad especially with 20 to 1 payout.....provided you can play the shorthanded stages well

a little surprized at only 16 addons in the first example....did people run out of money? or not rebuy ?
 
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Cutting your losses.

If you fail to achieve a proper working stack, i will normally cut my losses sometime during the second period. With blinds and antes increasing fast, it gets increasingly difficult to achieve anything with the base rebuy stack of 4k chips. It seems to me that joining a fresh one instead offers me a better chance of stack building than continuing to fire at ever increasing pots with an (relative) ever decreasing stack.
 
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my first thought was that this strategy would be too much of a longshot .......but 3/47 isnt that bad especially with 20 to 1 payout.....provided you can play the shorthanded stages well

a little surprized at only 16 addons in the first example....did people run out of money? or not rebuy ?

I think its the small buyin that makes for strange play. You will also see alot of players only rebuying to 2k chips, which makes no sense to me. They probably attract a good deal of people with small BR's, essentially playing with "scared money". Can't complain though, they make chipping up easier :)
 
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Re-buy satellites are my favourites as well.

Low rake and lots of fish.

The 2x turbos havent worked that well for me though.
 
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Thanks crancko,
I like the sundays and satelliting in could be a cheap way to buy-in so I'll give it a try with this strategy.
Do you think the satellites get even softer when nearing the start of the big tournaments ?
This because of people desperately trying to get in, while the better players already bought in or satellited in ?
 
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Thanks crancko,
I like the sundays and satelliting in could be a cheap way to buy-in so I'll give it a try with this strategy.
Do you think the satellites get even softer when nearing the start of the big tournaments ?
This because of people desperately trying to get in, while the better players already bought in or satellited in ?

Not in my experience. Saturday and sunday mornings are the best imo. I could be wrong, but as far as i have seen, the saturday / sunday morning softness is mostly due to a high number of russian or eastern european players :)
 
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aha, you mean players like Maxim Lykov....yeah well that makes sense.

But seriously, I know what you mean.
I'll give it a try, but that probably will make the field even softer.

One question about the hand selection.
May I assume you anticipate to your position ?
For example, in the first half hour you raise low pairs.
I suppose that is only in late position and in limped pots only, am i right ?
 
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aha, you mean players like Maxim Lykov....yeah well that makes sense.

But seriously, I know what you mean.
I'll give it a try, but that probably will make the field even softer.

One question about the hand selection.
May I assume you anticipate to your position ?
For example, in the first half hour you raise low pairs.
I suppose that is only in late position and in limped pots only, am i right ?

Actually i havent found much difference playing either position in those early games. But i have a predetermined way of playing handtypes, depending on my perception of the table. And in the lighter games, i have rarely seen anyone taking advantage if i play out of position.

Early in the game i consider a pair on the hand pure gold and unless some real rock raises alot, i'm prepared to go nuts with it. Remember goal is having a playable stack after rebuy and addon is over. That often means taking risks while you have a chance to rebuy.
 
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Actually i havent found much difference playing either position in those early games. But i have a predetermined way of playing handtypes, depending on my perception of the table. And in the lighter games, i have rarely seen anyone taking advantage if i play out of position.

Early in the game i consider a pair on the hand pure gold and unless some real rock raises alot, i'm prepared to go nuts with it. Remember goal is having a playable stack after rebuy and addon is over. That often means taking risks while you have a chance to rebuy.

About taking risks, you were on my right in a 3,30 rebuy for the sunday warm-up.
I remember you calling a shove with K9, making trips 9 to double up.
Saw you finished 24th I think. I was out a while before but I railed you (calling an AI with A2s, which I think is pretty bad in the spot I was in).

In another one, about 20 to go and second in stack (6 getting a seat if I remember well) I got AA, shoved and got called by another big stack having KK. If I would have won that hand I think I could have been sitting it out to a seat.
Of course, a King on the flop and I fell back, not being able to come back.

I'm on a very,very bad streak, but we'll see next week.

I understand you seated in the sunday million, also by satellite ?
I railed you for a while, playing one, but I finally quit because of opening some tables myself.
 
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About taking risks, you were on my right in a 3,30 rebuy for the sunday warm-up.
I remember you calling a shove with K9, making trips 9 to double up.
Saw you finished 24th I think. I was out a while before but I railed you (calling an AI with A2s, which I think is pretty bad in the spot I was in).

In another one, about 20 to go and second in stack (6 getting a seat if I remember well) I got AA, shoved and got called by another big stack having KK. If I would have won that hand I think I could have been sitting it out to a seat.
Of course, a King on the flop and I fell back, not being able to come back.

I'm on a very,very bad streak, but we'll see next week.

I understand you seated in the sunday million, also by satellite ?
I railed you for a while, playing one, but I finally quit because of opening some tables myself.

Yeah, the 3.30 one was a mistake. Dont like those as much as the 2.22 and 3.33 because of the short rebuy period.

Generally i tend to go aggro as hell till i have a workable stack. In some cases just shoving hands like a madman. Its a funny setup, these Turbo Rebuys. First part you go nuts, second part you play shortstack or bigstack with no middle ground. But once you get used to the format and you're able to live with the inevitable suckouts and bad beats, its right amusing.

And yes, played the sunday million on a satty seat. Play these satties in the weekends and every other weekend, when i dont have to work on monday, i use one of the tickets to play in the MTT. My reasoning is this: I wanna try and get good at these fast rebuys, so those ill play alot. At the same time i play at Pokerstars because thats the home of the big sunday MTT's. So getting some cheap tickets to those big MTT's is like getting free lessons. And being a tightass, i love "free" :p
 
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Think ill do proper post on this strategy. Noticed i'm nearing 1k posts, maybe then... :)
 
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looking back in my HH I see it actually was a 3.33 I was sitting next to you.
I also see my suckout with AA was even worse.
I happened to have 2nd stack with only 11 players left.
As I also saw, 5 places paid, not 6 as I mentioned.
With BB at 5000 I still had to play though and winning the AA hand would indeed have been enough to sit out to take my seat.

One thing I'd like to mention about playing in the rebuy-period.
I saw more than a few players shove AI ATC or almost ATC, do a single rebuy and immediately shove again.
Obviously, picking up a few of those shoves can get you at a desirable stack rather quickly.
If you recognize those players, and well ,why not cause they're not really in disguise, I would not bet into them with air, but just try to catch them with a good hand (a far wider range than playing against tight players).
A few catches and your stack will grow amazingly fast.
In other words, categorizing players and adjusting to their kind of play, will pay out, rather sooner than later.

Well, next week I try again and in fact I thank you for making me aware of these satellites, because they tend to be soft and I think, with decent play I should be able to take some down, so I don't have to register for the full 215 $ ,and probably even get me some extra Tournament dollars.
My roll doesn't support buy-ins of $ 215 anymore.
 
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One thing I'd like to mention about playing in the rebuy-period.
I saw more than a few players shove AI ATC or almost ATC, do a single rebuy and immediately shove again.
Obviously, picking up a few of those shoves can get you at a desirable stack rather quickly.
If you recognize those players, and well ,why not cause they're not really in disguise, I would not bet into them with air, but just try to catch them with a good hand (a far wider range than playing against tight players).
A few catches and your stack will grow amazingly fast.
In other words, categorizing players and adjusting to their kind of play, will pay out, rather sooner than later.

Quite true and when my own inner caveman doesnt get me, thats the winning rebuy period strat. Although truth be told, he often does in these :viking::viking:
 
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One more point, sometimes you see a rather tight player calling these maniacs with a decent hand and loosing to the maniacs because of a miracle flop-turn-river.
Take care of that, because some of them tilt immediately because of the bad beat and get very loose too, until they double up again or double rebuy, after which they fall back to their thight play.
On the other hand, lots of maniacs shove AI ATC, but after a double up, they tighten up immediately.
Therefor it's needed to pay close attention to what players do, cause from 1 hand into another, some of them adjust from very LAG to very TAG or even tight passive and vice versa.
 
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Crancko, thanks again for making me aware of these easy money festivals.
Played 2 of them today, 1 for Sunday warm-up and 1 for the sunday million.
I won both of them without to many rebuys.
Sure I do a first rebuy at the beginning but in 1 I didn't have to rebuy again and in the other just 1 double rebuy.
So, with the add-on added I seated in the warm up and the sunday million for a total of a little less than 25 USD.
However,I play it rather different opposed to your strategy.
I actually play rather tight in the first hour, trying, with good hands, to take profits from loose players trying to double up and rebuy in case they fail.
After the rebuy period ends, obviously, the players still in the game tighten up, which means you can throw away any stats of any player of the first hour.
Any stats or notes outof the first hour are worthless.
Though, this is where you're gonna get your seat, because of everybody tightening and the blinds kinda high, you're gonna steal....omg, you're gonna steal alot.
Soon you'll see desperate players shoving ATC and sometimes you'll meet resistance of deeper stacked players.
Well, take profit of the first category and stay away from the latter.

Thanks,GL and best play to all of u
 
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