Originally Posted by ohshootmybad
The flop was A99 w/ 4 players to act behind.
If it was AA9, then I'm all for open shoving.
I hear you. But here is the problem I have. Maybe to much book learning.
You know, the EV stuff, position, hand ranges etc. Its a 4 way pot, I'm trying to get hands like 44 to fold here. Only hands that should be calling here are 9 and A.
It would be delusional not to think with 4 in on a 4 bb pre-flop call your chips are not all in at some point this hand.
I can see a mistake here all in Preflop, hands like 44 gamble that all the time.
But 44 calling a 2 outer with 2 cards left to come. Even a total mentally challenged individual knows enough to fold that hand. Granted maybe not enough to fold it PF, but after the flop, who calls that hand?
There is no draws to come, just 2 outs. If I had not seen this occurring with alarming frequency, put it down to a cooler and move on. I even see this similar play after the turn has dropped.
I see this sh-it all the time, and it pays them a ton. It pays them a ton. Go into any micro MTT. Watch the tables of the chip leaders. 10, 15 and 20X their opening stack within 3 or 4 minutes. But watch their play, it's not always just all in PF, often it's a made hand on the turn and river. The frequency of such is beyond comprehension. Yeah, I can do the math. Ya know, 2 outs, 2 cards to come. Or the river completing their gut shot. 4 cards, 2 to come, often 1 to come.
It does not matter if I'm on PS, Bwin, PP, 888
. Same happens all the time, several times within minutes of each other. Over and over, repeated now hundreds and hundreds of times.
It really comes down to for me, Who calls with that hand? Maybe I'm over analyzing, maybe I'm not. But even if I was playing at the kitchen table with a 4 year old, they would have enough mental capacity to know that hand was no good now and must be folded.
So, who calls that hand?