odnicholas25
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Hey everyone,
Today I lost big in wsop (play money thankfully, but besides the point of this post). I need some second opinions as to whether I got straight unlucky, or if there is more to the story.
The Situation
I was mid-pos with pocket queens off-suit in a 6max, and with 3 limpers behind me I raised from 1bb to 4bb. I am a tight aggressive player, so I was essentially announcing to the table that I had a good hand.
The flop saw a rainbow Q37, so I had a high three pair. Three players checked behind me, and with two ahead, I raised by 4bb again. Two players called my raise. This is the start of where I become confused. As a blatantly tight aggressive player, why call my hand when I c bet the flop? It has to be somewhat apparent that I have the nuts as of the flop, and a call would be throwing chips away, correct?
Regardless, the turn sees a 6, the player which called behind me checked, I raised 4bb, and the player ahead raised drastically- the player behind me folded. This drastic raise confuses me, as I'll explain in a second.
The river saw a 9, I bet 4bb, the player goes all in, and in haste I also went all in. The player ahead had gotten a straight holding 58.
The Discussion
Now, fair is fair, and I become a little too emotionally invested in this hand. Once I saw the flop, I was convinced I had the nuts, and saw no reason to not play aggressively. I read the board, recognised the off-chance for a straight, and shut down the idea of the other player holding a straight for the following reasons:
1) I 3bet preflop, and he called. Why call a 3bet preflop with a 58 off-suit? How can he justify calling with 58os when I, a tight player, raise preflop, knowing that as I raised I will likely c bet into the rounds following, sucking more chips out of him. I don't understand how calling a 4bb justifies seeing the flop, surely it is more strategic to fold here?
2) You are holding 58 and a 7 draws on the flop. Great. I raise 4bb again. Time to fold, right? At this point, he has a draw hand that requires both the turn and the river to be exactly in his favour. How is this at all and advisable play? I don't understand why he would call me here.
3) This part confuses me the most, so you've by sheer chance drawn 4/5 cards for a straight by the turn, so WHY would you raise more than twice my 4bb on the hope that the last card would drawn on the river? SURELY the chances here do not justify this raise, a call would be more explainable, but a RAISE?
4) Obviously, an all-in once he sees the straight is understandable, suck me in knowing I had a threepair. And, this was my mistake - I should have read the board more clearly, and recognised that from his actions, it was a safer bet to fold my hand. This is where I made the mistake of becoming emotionally attached to my cards. In my defence, it was a confusing play.
So, can anyone offer a bit more clarity into this situation? What should I have done? Did he get lucky? Am I just not thinking properly? Thanks in advance!
FYI: He was a loose-passive/aggressive.
Today I lost big in wsop (play money thankfully, but besides the point of this post). I need some second opinions as to whether I got straight unlucky, or if there is more to the story.
The Situation
I was mid-pos with pocket queens off-suit in a 6max, and with 3 limpers behind me I raised from 1bb to 4bb. I am a tight aggressive player, so I was essentially announcing to the table that I had a good hand.
The flop saw a rainbow Q37, so I had a high three pair. Three players checked behind me, and with two ahead, I raised by 4bb again. Two players called my raise. This is the start of where I become confused. As a blatantly tight aggressive player, why call my hand when I c bet the flop? It has to be somewhat apparent that I have the nuts as of the flop, and a call would be throwing chips away, correct?
Regardless, the turn sees a 6, the player which called behind me checked, I raised 4bb, and the player ahead raised drastically- the player behind me folded. This drastic raise confuses me, as I'll explain in a second.
The river saw a 9, I bet 4bb, the player goes all in, and in haste I also went all in. The player ahead had gotten a straight holding 58.
The Discussion
Now, fair is fair, and I become a little too emotionally invested in this hand. Once I saw the flop, I was convinced I had the nuts, and saw no reason to not play aggressively. I read the board, recognised the off-chance for a straight, and shut down the idea of the other player holding a straight for the following reasons:
1) I 3bet preflop, and he called. Why call a 3bet preflop with a 58 off-suit? How can he justify calling with 58os when I, a tight player, raise preflop, knowing that as I raised I will likely c bet into the rounds following, sucking more chips out of him. I don't understand how calling a 4bb justifies seeing the flop, surely it is more strategic to fold here?
2) You are holding 58 and a 7 draws on the flop. Great. I raise 4bb again. Time to fold, right? At this point, he has a draw hand that requires both the turn and the river to be exactly in his favour. How is this at all and advisable play? I don't understand why he would call me here.
3) This part confuses me the most, so you've by sheer chance drawn 4/5 cards for a straight by the turn, so WHY would you raise more than twice my 4bb on the hope that the last card would drawn on the river? SURELY the chances here do not justify this raise, a call would be more explainable, but a RAISE?
4) Obviously, an all-in once he sees the straight is understandable, suck me in knowing I had a threepair. And, this was my mistake - I should have read the board more clearly, and recognised that from his actions, it was a safer bet to fold my hand. This is where I made the mistake of becoming emotionally attached to my cards. In my defence, it was a confusing play.
So, can anyone offer a bit more clarity into this situation? What should I have done? Did he get lucky? Am I just not thinking properly? Thanks in advance!
FYI: He was a loose-passive/aggressive.
