Originally Posted by ruffcut68
how long does it take to put a player on a range or figure it out?
Some of the elements involved on how to put a player on a range;
1 History...have you watched this player?, What has he done before?
2 Position....Does this player seem to know anything about position, ?
3 Stack size. Is he being a bully, or is he timid beyond belief.
and many other factors....
But the most important one is probably the history. This is where trackers help the most. You could do the same with pad and pencil, but you wouldn't at first have any clue what you were tracking, or able to coalesce into usable data.
So watch. Watch the players, watch the table dynamics, watch for betting patterns, etc.
Nothing will make much sense at first, it will be like drunken hi school kids playing poker in the kitchen. But over time you will get a sense of how each player differs.
Time in that sense equates to hands played. The conventional wisdom is the more the merrier, but probably will take 10K hands played before you start noticing there are even differences between players. Once you notice you can notice differences, you can start thinking about how to categorize players, (loose, tight, weak, strong,,,etc.) It is a eureka moment when you notice you are noticing the differences.
Trackers help but are not necessary for beginners. They won't know how to use the data anyway. 10K hands till required before the data makes any sense.
More important might be observation and note taking. The note taking can help you categorize players a little faster. You can condense the notes later.