First Steps in Hand Analysis

I have decided to be brave and try for the first time to ask for some help with analysing how I am playing some of my hands, and I know how ferocious some posters here (including myself) can be with people that are perceived to be asking stupid questions, so I have some n00b questions that I would like to ask first in this section of the forum. Ideally I was looking at a situation where I could post this, for example, which I have actually managed to work out how to find without asking anybody first!

Stage #1371008954 Tourney ID 2115139 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $60 - 2008-12-22 19:40:12 (ET)
Table: 1 (real money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 2 - LEAPIN LIZZ ($3285 in chips)
Seat 3 - PKRPLR4116 ($1960 in chips)
Seat 5 - SKYMAGIC ($1255 in chips)
Seat 6 - 1BOURBON1 ($1650 in chips)
Seat 7 - ROGERFORWARD ($2590 in chips)
Seat 8 - JOKER131111 ($1365 in chips)
Seat 9 - PIFAN2004 ($1312 in chips)
1BOURBON1 - Posts small blind $30
ROGERFORWARD - Posts big blind $60
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to ROGERFORWARD [As Ah]
JOKER131111 - Folds
PIFAN2004 - Folds
LEAPIN LIZZ - Raises $210 to $210
PKRPLR4116 - Folds
SKYMAGIC - Folds
1BOURBON1 - Folds
ROGERFORWARD - All-In(Raise) $2530 to $2590
LEAPIN LIZZ - Folds
ROGERFORWARD - returned ($2380) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ROGERFORWARD - Does not show
ROGERFORWARD Collects $450 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($450)
Seat 2: LEAPIN LIZZ Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: PKRPLR4116 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: SKYMAGIC (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: 1BOURBON1 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: ROGERFORWARD (big blind) collected Total ($450) All-In
Seat 8: JOKER131111 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: PIFAN2004 Folded on the POCKET CARDS

and then ask how well (or badly) I played it.

Anyway, I went to the place in the forum where I thought I would post it, and found a really grumpy post by DM:

STOP POSTING RESULTS IN THE OP OF ANALYSIS THREADS
Seriously it's getting ridiculous, and it's not helped by every thread I see with results in the first post being stealth bad beat "OMG I GOT ALLIN ON THE FLOP WITH MY TRIPS AND SOME GUY HIT RUNNER RUNNER STRAIGHT FLUSH COULD I OF P{LAYD IT DIFFRENTLY" threads.

So from now on I am going to move any hand analysis threads with the results in the OP to BBV. I don't care if you "wanted proper analysis" - if you want proper analysis then leave the results out of the first post. If someone offends twice I'll just delete the thread, more than twice and I will really start getting antsy.

This only applies to threads created from now - although I will move any threads that clearly belong in bbv to there, I won't just base this on if results are in the OP.

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https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tou...p-posting-results-op-analysis-threads-136697/

Presumably BBV is Brags, Bad Beats and Vents (BBBaV)?

Anyway, then I went and checked a couple of threads in Hand Analysis, and they were giving bucket-loads of information, in another thread DM says this:

- Relevant stack sizes
- Nature of the game (tourney/ring, limit/nl etc)
- Blinds (if tourney)
- Limits (if ring)
- Stage of the game (if tourney - i.e. are you in the money/on the bubble?)
- Table positions of yourself and all relevant players
- Any reads on relevant players (even if it's your first hand at a table, say so so that people don't have to ask if you have reads)
- Your table image (more important in a $200 tourney than a $1 SnG, but still useful to know)
- Any other general comments on your thought processes as the hand progresses

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and then apparently contradicts the grumpy post I mentioned before, by saying

Whether you post results or not is entirely your own decision

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https://www.cardschat.com/forum/tournament-hand-analysis-51/hand-analysis-posting-guidelines-68850/

So my question is this:

When I am playing in CC buy-ins (which is my main area of analysis at the moment) I need to concentrate on playing, then post HA questions afterwards. If I posted the cut and paste from Ultimatebet that I have shown above, but delete the bit from

ROGERFORWARD - All-In(Raise) $2530 to $2590
onwards, would that be enough for people to give me feedback :questionm

first thing you want to do is convert the hands, especially from ultimatebet, since they are hard to read.

As for your question, you want to state a question or scenario, such as, who likes this shove? who thinks i should flat call if the raiser is a maniac or something? or is min raise best? etc etc

then paste the converted HH up until your action, eg

Stage #1371008954 Tourney ID 2115139 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $60 - 2008-12-22 19:40:12 (ET)
Table: 1 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 2 - LEAPIN LIZZ ($3285 in chips)
Seat 3 - PKRPLR4116 ($1960 in chips)
Seat 5 - SKYMAGIC ($1255 in chips)
Seat 6 - 1BOURBON1 ($1650 in chips)
Seat 7 - ROGERFORWARD ($2590 in chips)
Seat 8 - JOKER131111 ($1365 in chips)
Seat 9 - PIFAN2004 ($1312 in chips)
1BOURBON1 - Posts small blind $30
ROGERFORWARD - Posts big blind $60
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to ROGERFORWARD [As Ah]
JOKER131111 - Folds
PIFAN2004 - Folds
LEAPIN LIZZ - Raises $210 to $210
PKRPLR4116 - Folds
SKYMAGIC - Folds
1BOURBON1 - Folds
ROGERFORWARD - ????????????

(but converted)

you cna post the results if you want, but then you will get results orientated responses which skew the responses

i don't know any hh's that convert ub's hh however since it sucks.
Also if you like money, move from ub to just about any other site

Thanks for the prompt response.

So far I have played in CC buy-in tournaments at Titan, bodog and Ultimatebet, and I will also play in CC buy-ins at pokerstars when the opportunity arises.

Anyone know of a hand convertor that will work for UB please :questionm

Flop, Turn, River dot com ......I think it will support UB....give it a try anyway.

eagle jim said:

Flop, Turn, River dot com ......I think it will support UB....give it a try anyway.

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Does UB ring games but not tournies, sadly. Thanks anyway!

I'll give you my two cents on how you played the hand if your still looking for that kind of post. First, if this is how you normally play AA when facing a open "bet pot" raise, then I think you are losing alot of value from your hand. Assuming your opponents are not "crazy donks" you only might get called by other premium hands like KK and possibly AK and QQ. Second, if this something you did to mix up your play on occassion or you have been setting up by frequently pushing over the top of "suspicious" raises, then you might have some expectation of being called. Finally, I would normally re-raise about 3-4 times the initial raisers bet because I feel minimum raising invites a call without finidng out much about the strength of your opponents hand. I would like to limit his range of hands to smaller pairs or two big cards. I want my post flop decisions to be as easy as possible with AA.

Thanks

You can be quite sure that in CC buy-ins you will be playing against a lot of extremely good players. I mean to raise 2.5 to 3 times blind in early position, 3 times blind in mid position and 4 times blind in late position. Quite often in reality, though, I notice that I limp in when under the gun...

Just for clarification, the first post you quoted was made 13-12-2008, the second 31-05-2006. Unless DM traveled back in time 2 1/2 years, the second wasn't a contradiction of the first.

I'm guessing the more recent post is the valid one.

Thanks for the clarification.

Yeah you really dont even need to repop this I dont think. You're in the big blind. Theres nobody else left to act after you so you already have a heads up hand... which is exactly what you want with aces.

To repop it for that amount, unless they lose their mind you arent going to get any action most of the time. You can repop it three times their bet, or just smooth call here. I think because I'm in the big blind and theres no one to act after me I'm just smooth calling at least half of the time here.

OK, thanks.

The challenge I have is that I'm playing at the two extremes at the moment. On the one hand I am playing freerolls and PokerStars play money tournaments, on the other hand I am also playing CC buy-in tournaments against extremely experienced and analytical players. So tricks which I use in donk-fests don't always work!

The reason it works in freerolls and play money tournies, I would imagine, is because a lot of players assume that you are defending your blinds. Because people in freerolls and play money tournies are less likely to be analysing the playing styles of the other players, they may well assume that I am bluffing and call my all-in bet with Ace Rag or pocket pairs. I rarely bluff. It has worked quite a few times for me, but in future I'll try to restrict it to the donk-fests!