$5 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: $5 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: AA first orbit two players shoving the flop what to do?

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$5 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: $5 NLHE MTT Deep Stacked: AA first orbit two players shoving the flop what to do?

Some pretty extreme action here, its like the 3rd hand of the tourny so no reads what do we do on the flop, call or fold?

Party, $4.55 Buy-in (5/10 blinds, 30 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players

SB: 3,720 (372 bb)
BB: 3,000 (300 bb)
UTG+2: 3,285 (328.5 bb)
MP1: 2,580 (258 bb)
Hero (MP2): 3,645 (364.5 bb)
MP3: 2,120 (212 bb)
CO: 6,127 (612.7 bb)
BTN: 2,610 (261 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A
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UTG+2 calls 10, MP1 folds, Hero raises to 30, 4 folds, BB raises to 200, UTG+2 calls 190, Hero raises to 760, BB calls 560, UTG+2 calls 560

Flop: (2,525) Q
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K
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3
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(3 players)
BB bets 2,210 and is all-in, UTG+2 calls 2,210,
Hero?
 
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Based on the pre-flop action and 2 all ins on that flop the chances of AA being ahead are now pretty slim. Can't really see any way that one of the villains does not have QQ or KK. Fold and move on.
 
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Get the rest of your chips in the middle & move on.
 
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I think you're beat here. You're blocking (nut) flush draws and i think if they had AK (which you are also blocking) They are jamming pre. KQ is defo in their range but i dont think they have it. I think atleast one of them has a set and you're drawing to 2 outs or runner runner. So, fold.
 
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Let's rewind.

Action: UTG+2 limps, you raise 30, BB 3-bets you 200, UTG+2 calls, you 4-bet to 760, both called.
Range: BB {99+, AK, AQ} UTG+2 {AT, AJ, KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, 33}

Flop Q K 3, BB shoves, UTG+2 calls
For BB to just call the 4-bet OOP with KK or AA is just impossible, making a set of Qs on the flop, most people won't shove, since you're the aggressor, they'll check it to you to make a c-bet and jam over that bet.
Range: BB {AK, AQ} UTG+2 {AT, AJ, KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, JT, 33}

Against that range, you're 67% favorite, so shove.

Let's say for illustration purposes, BB had {KK, QQ} in his range. Still you're 49% favorite and you should shove.

The worst you're doing is 35% if I keep playing with the range of BB or UTG+2. 35% chance of winning 9000+ and 65% of losing 3285, still gives you a positive EV and you should shove.

In the long run, Positive EV wins!

But again, if you can pinpoint that the BB has set or UTG+2 has two pairs, then fold. (In my experience, its almost impossible to make an accurate read of players cards in an online game)
 
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I actually made a big error in this hand in that I missed the UTG limp. This is why I only made it 30 as I was assuming I was opening. It makes such a big difference to the Utg range that in hindsight I think getting it in was ok. In my mind utg had just cold flatted the BB 3bet which made QQ much more likely than was actually the case.
Doh anyway this hand tilted me severly until my mistake was realised. It was like the tilt just lifted like a fog an unusual feeling id not experienced before.
It's interesting that some think it's still a fold. I did of course get to see their cards. Do you want the result yet?
 
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Yeah, I think its time to get the *Spoiler*!
 
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I folded.
BB had KJ offsuit
Utg had JT offsuit
Turn and river a 2 and a 5.

BB was a maniac.
 
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Irregardless of the result, I would still agree on your action. I believe its the safest and correct decision.
 
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Both villain's play is ridiculously bad! It's hard to play against! Still think fold was correct as it's hard to believe you would have an all in and a call with just top pair and a draw.
 
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