$1100 NLHE MTT: Middle position short stacked wake with AA

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Well, I'm going to try and do this post, let me know MODERATORS if it will be an acceptable way to discuss a hand.
This is Live casino tournament not online.
553 runners, paying 67 spots. Full table 70 players left.
Sitting in middle position with 55,000 chips blinds are 2000-4000 table stacks range from 30,000 to 250,000 with a few players behind of me over 100,000. Play folds to me.
I see pocket aces I raise to 20,000, next guy goes Allin over the top for 120,000. the table and big stakes behind fold it back to me.

What does one do now?

MODERATORS- ok is that enough to get this started.

My question here is
Do you fold in this spot, the bubble is coming, wait it out make the money, then continue with the tournament. Or call with the best 2 card hand in poker and double up or possibly get knocked out 5 minutes before the bubble bursts?


Sorry, I don't have a penny or free tournament for you guys to marvel over.:D
 
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snap call here, unless playing a satellite qualifier structure
Likely facing KK or AK here if opponent is not wild
 
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I don't understand the question? I mean we are talking about AA.. I understand it would be painful to lose with those and at such a moment, but folding AA pre-flop, is that even a thing?

Also, if you, in same extremely crazy way ever think about folding to re-raise shoves when holding aces, then how do you play other hands?

snap call here, unless playing a satellite qualifier structure

Can you please explain this? I don't quite understand the reasoning behind this. Betting 5x with AA, and folding to a shove (with the remaining 8BB) in satellite qualifier is something that should be done?
 
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If you think that you can throw in this situation the AA, it is absurd ... investing in bank 4BB you want to fold, because you're afraid to fly with the best poker hand at the same time leaving himself only 8 BB (as we do not know how the average stack and what is your position, you can 68 of the remaining 70)

In my opinion, you had to just go all in preflop and keep their nerves at all from any decision after re-raise you behind.


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A bit more backstory I satellite into this tournament for $50. So I can snap call taking a chance or Fold the Aces and before the Big gets to me cash out $1200 if I go out from that point. I think the correct move is to FOLD. Of course, first place pays considerably more so I have to build some chips to go deeper. Is a 12 times BB bet going to make the villain fold his pocket Q.s for a third of his stack, Not on your life or his.
 
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Can you please explain this? I don't quite understand the reasoning behind this. Betting 5x with AA, and folding to a shove (with the remaining 8BB) in satellite qualifier is something that should be done?


I meant in that case just fold preflop as upside is capped
 
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Snap call this spot my friend, no regrets.
 
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I don't understand the question? I mean we are talking about AA.. I understand it would be painful to lose with those and at such a moment, but folding AA pre-flop, is that even a thing?

Also, if you, in same extremely crazy way ever think about folding to re-raise shoves when holding aces, then how do you play other hands?



Can you please explain this? I don't quite understand the reasoning behind this. Betting 5x with AA, and folding to a shove (with the remaining 8BB) in satellite qualifier is something that should be done?


I can only assume when he is saying satellite, all 67 players who "place" are given the same reward, so it is better to fold/play safe vs call an all in and have a 20% chance of losing out.
 
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I don't understand the question? I mean we are talking about AA.. I understand it would be painful to lose with those and at such a moment, but folding AA pre-flop, is that even a thing?

Also, if you, in same extremely crazy way ever think about folding to re-raise shoves when holding aces, then how do you play other hands?



Can you please explain this? I don't quite understand the reasoning behind this. Betting 5x with AA, and folding to a shove (with the remaining 8BB) in satellite qualifier is something that should be

In A satty you would have already stopped playing every hand no matter what because if all 67 get the exact same price there's no reason to risk anything
 
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THIS IS NOT A SAT.

Answer- I call the Villian has QQ a Q hits the turn and I'm on the rail with nothing. wondering how many Eleven Hundred Dollar sats you guys have ever seen or played in? ah, none probably (that wasn't a wsop event at the Rio). this was the main event 553 runners 67 was the first cash point I'm sure that's what it says. Guess I'm not to good at setting it up.
Anyway, I finished 69th, 3 minutes later the bubble passed. The only reason I raised was hoping everyone would fold should have just Folded period.
 
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I can only assume when he is saying satellite, all 67 players who "place" are given the same reward, so it is better to fold/play safe vs call an all in and have a 20% chance of losing out.

In A satty you would have already stopped playing every hand no matter what because if all 67 get the exact same price there's no reason to risk anything

I have a feeling you are suggesting a fold with pocket AA pre flop in a satelite?!
Whatever the format, bubble or not, this is absurd really. I have seen just one AA pre-flop fold online and it was done by a total amateur who was scared, there's all there is to it. I mean do you make the fold if it is 75 people left with 67 ITM, do you make the fold with 100 people left? There is no possible way to draw the line, cause it is insane to fold them.
This is not a situation where there is a board that you can fold to, range you should put your opponent or not, you have the nuts given the situation, value it.

wondering how many Eleven Hundred Dollar sats you guys have ever seen or played in? ah, none probably (that wasn't a WSOP event at the Rio). this was the main event 553 runners 67 was the first cash point I'm sure that's what it says. Guess I'm not to good at setting it up.
Anyway, I finished 69th, 3 minutes later the bubble passed.

You probably misunderstood them. They are mostly stating that fold is OK (?!) in a satellite, but in a regular tournament it is better to shove, cause with more chips you get more money eventually (according to ICM)...

I am sorry you busted out that moment, and after severel minutes, bubble passed, but in the very end this is poker. It is why we play the game, why we love it and hate it :)

GL next time! :)
 
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If I read it correctly (pretty sure I did); you get HU against a single villain for your tourney life and you hold AA, and you are wondering what to do.

(first reply was too snarky)

Auto call.

All the other stuff doesn't matter. Doesn't matter what the format is, or what the prizes are, the only thing that matters is that you aren't playing RAZZ.

If it was your intent to just roll past the bubble, then you shouldn't have even looked at your cards.
 
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If I read it correctly (pretty sure I did); you get HU against a single villain for your tourney life and you hold AA, and you are wondering what to do.

(first reply was too snarky)

Auto call.

All the other stuff doesn't matter. Doesn't matter what the format is, or what the prizes are, the only thing that matters is that you aren't playing RAZZ.
dj11- wow 22,000 posts you been here a while bro. But no not wondering I'm sure the right move would have been to FOLD and at least collect the $1200 if nothing else worked If the hand holds I'm in the money with over 100,000 but if it doesn't I get nothing. The Right play in this exact situation is to tank then fold preflop and wait for 2 more hands to pass and at least be in a spot to collect the $1200 min. for a $50 bill invested. The next time I'm in one this close short stacked waiting for the bubble to bust I'm getting the money FIRST then maybe more if things turn around.
 
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Regarding you MODERATORS question, I'm not one, but I will guess they will mention that leaving out that CRITICAL piece of info about it being the bubble was a flaw in you presenting your original situation.

If coasting into the money was your original intent, you shouldn't have even looked at your cards and auto-mucked.
 
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When presenting issues of this sort, you should be giving all pertinent info. You don't have to give us the results, but you won't get correctly targeted results if you don't give us as much of the info you had at that time (your decision moment) .
 
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You MUST call

There is one very specific situation that it is acceptable to fold AA pre flop. You must be on or near the money bubble with four (4) or more players are all in before you act pre flop. This is because AA versus 4 other hands is in very bad shape equity wise, and you hope that the biggest stack wins the hand, knocking out 3 or more players and you ladder up into the cash
 
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Regarding you MODERATORS question, I'm not one, but I will guess they will mention that leaving out that CRITICAL piece of info about it being the bubble was a flaw in you presenting your original situation.

If coasting into the money was your original intent, you shouldn't have even looked at your cards and auto-mucked.


Look what I've found LMAO


:tee::tee::tee::thrasher::heeeellll:party::rock::dancing::ac4::ac4::ad4::as4:


You're exactly right, I never considered not looking But that's the right move.
 
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This is a snap call every day of the week - you are there to win the tournament NOT min-cash. It is very obvious reading this that you took a bad beat, otherwise you would not be posting this hand. When you get you stacks in with the best hand you are playing good poker - don't deviate from this strategy.
 
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This is a snap call every day of the week - you are there to win the tournament NOT min-cash. It is very obvious reading this that you took a bad beat, otherwise you would not be posting this hand. When you get you stacks in with the best hand you are playing good poker - don't deviate from this strategy.
Yes, I know but for me, if I have the chance to profit $1150 I'm folding everything I'll worry about after I get there at least. Now of course if I'd had a good run and have plenty of chips I'd never fold there.
 
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Welp..if I was playing 1k buy in tournaments it would mean I'm balling and have like 50-60k bankroll minimum because I'm a pro or won the lottery and yeah I'm making the call every time.
 
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Let me get it right. Hero has 55k blind is 4k, unopened pot hero got a bit less than 14BB in total and it is bubble. Hero holds AA in middle position.

As played: hero in a middle position decided bet 20k into unopened pot leaving 35k chips behind and asking what to do now after one villain rejammed.

As played: call. Imo

But i would just ship it preflop most of time.

Was there any ante ?
 
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Let me get it right. Hero has 55k blind is 4k, unopened pot hero got a bit less than 14BB in total and it is bubble. Hero holds AA in middle position.

As played: hero in a middle position decided bet 20k into unopened pot leaving 35k chips behind and asking what to do now after one villain rejammed.

As played: call. Imo

But i would just ship it preflop most of time.

Was there any ante ?

Yes, small ante and of course I called but shipping it pre-flop would not have changed anything I'm sure I still feel the Fold actually, leave the table is the best play in that exact situation and is my play if it ever comes up this same way again. But thanks.
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The result does not really matter. What matters is the decision which hero made on preflop, if hero plan is to bet preflop >33% of stack it is always better option to just go AI preflop not to induce action, since hero are already pot commited and there is a little extra dead money in the pot since ante is involved.

Well another aspect which needs to be considered, what is hero goal in that tournament. If hero goal is to pass bubble, basically have to fold any hand preflop, i mean any hand. imo But if hero goal is to win the tournament the best play would be going AI preflop. And my goal would be winning not surviving the bubble. In general i want to win and based my goal i am shipping AA every time any time <14BB left unopened pot.
 
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