$60 NLHE Full Ring: JJ gets raised all in on turn. Unwise lead out?

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Hey--I'm new to this forum, so if I have forgotten or missed anything obviously let me know.

Home cash game .25/.50 blinds. $60 buy ins. My stack is sitting at about $85, and the villain's stack is about the same. Still early, the big stack at the table can't be more than $100, or short stack less than $40. Villain is TAG, but is certainly not beyond betting with total air a couple times per night.

Player 1 limps in EP. I raise to $1.75 in MP with Jd Jc. Villain in LP 3 bets to $3.50. Player 1 calls, I call.

Flop 6-3-2 all diamonds. Player 1 checks, I check, Villain cbets $4.50. Player 1 folds. I raise to $9. Villain hesitates/postures, and calls. Turn a black queen. I lead out for $15. Villain shoves. My decision here at this point was not all that difficult imo, but would like to hear what most would do in that scenario, but also and what I'm more concerned with is, should I have checked the turn? Raised more on the flop? 4 bet pre flop? Thanks in advance.
 
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4 bet pre imo, I dont like flatting out of position. Plus with P1 calling along, theres extra incentive to take down the pot immediately.

As played, raise the flop to about $13-$14.
 
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Preflop: With the limper, I'd probably raise to more like $2.50; it makes it harder for the original limper to call either your raise or the 3bet and helps gets you to HU more often, hopefully with the lead.

As played, since the raise and 3bets were small, hero can 4bet to about $8 partly for value and partly as a squeeze. If villain calls, you'll have a better idea of his range (99-QQ, high broadway cards, and likely rules out AA/KK). This way, you can also lead otf instead of having to check-raise, fairly certain that you're still ahead. By calling the 3bet after P1, you've more or less turned your jacks into a set-mining venture against 2 players from MP. I think playing it this way makes it hard to extract value and opens yourself up to difficult decisions.

Post-Flop: As played, I like the check-raise on the flop with the Jd, but do more than min-raise - go to at least $12. Stronger play. imo a min-raise otf not only looks like a hand that needs help defining (like AQ+ with one in suit, or an overpair), but a allows a large range of hands to call.

Turn, as played, I think you did what you could; lead out and you have to fold to his all-in.

Tough spot.
 
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I don't like raising the flop
 
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Yeah, unless you have reads that players with call flop raises with top pair.
 
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I think sometimes I'd 4-bet preflop and try to isolate/squeeze. Taking down the pot wouldn't be a bad result. Calling isn't bad either though I don't think. On the flop, I think the check-raise is fine, but as others have said I'd make it a little bigger.

I don't think you can shut down when a single over card falls on the turn, so leading out is fine there too with the intention of folding if you get raised. His line looks really strong to me, and you're in really bad shape if he's got a Q/overpair with a higher diamond. Even if you hero call and he turns over AK with a diamond, he's still going to win 30% of the time, so pretty easy fold I think.
 
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Or... just open fold. JJ is a stupid ****ing hand.

 
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