$50 NLHE 6-max: River quads on a horrible board

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 35/24/5

86 hands on villain

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 72.68 BB
MP: 142 BB
CO: 102.72 BB
BTN: 94.4 BB
Hero (SB): 101.5 BB
BB: 40 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 4:club: 4:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50, 3 players) 5:spade: 3:spade: 4:spade:
Hero bets 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 6 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: ($7.50, 2 players) 2:spade:
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($7.50, 2 players) 4:heart:
Hero bets 10 BB, BTN raises to 20 BB, Hero raises to 94.5 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 67.4 BB and is all-in

weird hand, kind of depends on the type of fish/player here, it seems nitty but without him being a major retard id probably just call his min raise, actually ugh yeah hard to even say whether you played it bad, you do have quads :d there is never gonna be an answer for this that doesnt depend on the type of player, post some more standard hands maybe!

I dont know why I removed the results, I mean its pretty obvious what he has haha.

So so sick, I think if I hadnt have just lost a few BI's I would think about flatting. As soon as this happened I was like... right thats it back to 25nl.

youregoodmate said:

I dont know why I removed the results, I mean its pretty obvious what he has haha.

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2s full right?

youregoodmate said:

So so sick, I think if I hadnt have just lost a few BI's I would think about flatting. As soon as this happened I was like... right thats it back to 25nl.

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Kinda with Arran, this is a cooler, and obv you are vbetting river, but you could consider simply calling his minraise, since minraises are often the nuts, and you have the 3rd nuts here so...

Cafeman31 said:

2s full right?



Kinda with Arran, this is a cooler, and obv you are vbetting river, but you could consider simply calling his minraise, since minraises are often the nuts, and you have the 3rd nuts here so...

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Yeah it seems daft that we have quads and wouldnt ship the river, I guess at the time I didnt really think about it because of that.

He should have folded the bottom end of his str flush to my aggression, I turned my hand into a bluff knowing I wasnt good and decided to rep the 6s.

me and Ducky are talking it over now, stacking river can't be bad though right we have like the 3rd nuts..

and when he min raises the flop its hard for him to have the As unless he's flopped a flush? 6s is even more unlikely..

also stack flop, we hate turns and we're OOP when we flat and he checks back turn so we can't get stacks in..

OMGITSOVER9K said:

me and Ducky are talking it over now, stacking river can't be bad though right we have like the 3rd nuts..

and when he min raises the flop its hard for him to have the As unless he's flopped a flush? 6s is even more unlikely..

also stack flop, we hate turns and we're OOP when we flat and he checks back turn so we can't get stacks in..

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+ Duck

Haha Im such a mess. Might take up a new hobby. Thanks for the input guys.

Holy crap this stuff is brutal but yeah, I wouldn't feel that bad if I got stacked with quads. Shit happens.

The min raise is such a red flag that it makes me think he flopped a nut flush or a straight flush w 67s. The checked turn is also suspicious. If he didn't have the nuts, wouldn't he want to protect against it? If he did flop/turn the nuts, checking/calling the river would have saved you some money esp. after he min raises again.

2Tech said:

The min raise is such a red flag that it makes me think he flopped a nut flush or a straight flush w 67s. The checked turn is also suspicious. If he didn't have the nuts, wouldn't he want to protect against it? If he did flop/turn the nuts, checking/calling the river would have saved you some money esp. after he min raises again.

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Im not check/calling the river here ever.

youregoodmate said:

Im not check/calling the river here ever.

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Not even if his range so heavily weighted toward a straight flush? Is this is the one situation where you might be able to proceed with caution and at least let him will vbet into you, saving you some money in case he has more than a full house? It's so hard to imagine that someone has a straight flush, esp when you have quads, but it has to happen to someone.

why is his range weighted towards a straight flush?

leading 100% flatting the min raise and getting it in are probably pretty close tbh, kinda hard to say either is bad given how retarded villian is.

We're justified in getting it in because he's a fish who's bought in for 94bb

NH!

To be clear, I'm not advocating this as a standard play, this hand is far from standard and would qualify for a bad beat jackpot in many casinos.

To me, his line is perfectly consistent w/ a flopped nut flush turned straight flush and not many other hands. What other hands was the OP thinking he could have had? A high flush like KQs, and 5s, 3s or 2s (did he float with an underpair and make a set on an ugly board that filled up on the river?) full are really your only hope. But, I feel like a high flush, KQs for example, would have bet the flop harder and bet the turn in case you were drawing to the nuts. The other hands AXs, and 66s had you crushed on the turn and can be made with more combos. (at best, 10 v. 15?)

The min raise is really helpful, esp if you know he's a fish. He flopped the nuts and doesn't know what to do with it so he just raises a small amount rather than a normal amount b/c in his head, a normal amount might cause you to fold all of your hands that are getting crushed w/ <5% equity or drawing dead to a lower flush, which makes up the vast majority of your range at that point. His flop bet was for "value" but was sized terribly.

2Tech said:

To me, his line is perfectly consistent w/ a flopped nut flush turned straight flush and not many other hands.

The min raise is really helpful, esp if you know he's a fish. He flopped the nuts and doesn't know what to do with it so he just raises a small amount rather than a normal amount b/c in his head, a normal amount might cause you to fold all of your hands that are getting crushed w/ <5% equity or drawing dead to a lower flush, which makes up the vast majority of your range at that point. His flop bet was for "value" but was sized terribly.

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He didnt flop the flush. Why do we not believe he can min raise with a set and check back the turn when the flush comes. He's obv then prepared to gii when he fills up. There is a reason to talk about calling his raise but definitely not check/calling the river.

Call river. Shoving gets called by nothing but better. Reraise flop for value. 35/24s who minraise postflop tend to be pretttttty bad.

ChuckTs said:

Call river. Shoving gets called by nothing but better. Reraise flop for value. 35/24s who minraise postflop tend to be pretttttty bad.

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22/33/44 all call a river shove. Fish dont fold full houses remember.

tenbob said:

22/33/44 all call a river shove. Fish dont fold full houses remember.

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Way more combos of Asx and 6sx than boats though. What's up with just completing preflop?

WVHillbilly said:

Way more combos of Asx and 6sx than boats though. What's up with just completing preflop?

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completing preflop seems good, 44 is such a shitty hand unless you hit a set and you have virtually 0 equity to improve so id rather raise a hand like 58s before 44, but i'd likely just complete with both until we get some higher card value because we're just gonna miss most flops with a hand like 44 and end up folding the best hand a ton vs a fish who probably cant fold

WVHillbilly said:

Way more combos of Asx and 6sx than boats though. What's up with just completing preflop?

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Hate raising pre here tbh for the reasons Acky gives.

So most people think we call this hand then? Is shoving horrible or just not great?

tenbob said:

22/33/44 all call a river shove. Fish dont fold full houses remember.

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Hi Liam

I'm just not sure a fish raises a boat in the first place unless they've misread the board.

Raising or completing pre can be argued, i personally think raising is better but hey