$5 NLHE Full Ring: set vs possible flush on the turn

poker stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

UTG: $14.30 - VPIP: 9, PFR: 1, 3B: 4, AF: 0.0, hands: 78
UTG+1: $5.93 - VPIP: 41, PFR: 26, 3B: 0, AF: 8.0, Hands: 34
UTG+2: $8.31 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 28
MP1: $1.71 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8
MP2: $5.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 3.3, Hands: 112
Hero (CO): $5.00 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 3.9, Hands: 110950
BTN: $8.79 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 15, 3B: 13, AF: 0.0, Hands: 27
SB: $6.19 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 6, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0, Hands: 34
BB: $0.92 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.05, MP2 calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.80) (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $0.40, MP2 calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.50, SB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to $1.56, MP2 calls $1.16, Hero calls $0.06

Turn: ($5.48) (3 players)
MP2 bets $3.29 (all in), Hero ???

Call (or shove if he's not all in). VERY unlikely that he's shoving a flush into you.

Raise it more pre-flop if you are raising. That raise isn't getting anyone out of the pot. Raise the flop slightly more, to around $2. Also call turn, you still have outs even if one has the flush.

What both the gentlemen above me said.

Just to stress, make sure you raise to an amount on the flop that allows you to reraise over a shove, or just raise more in the first place. Getting caught letting MP2 in without being able to charge him more sucks pretty bad.

ChuckTs said:

What both the gentlemen above me said.

Just to stress, make sure you raise to an amount on the flop that allows you to reraise over a shove, or just raise more in the first place. Getting caught letting MP2 in without being able to charge him more sucks pretty bad.

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About this, how much difference does the pot to villains stack ratio need to be to allow us to re-raise instead of call, like in the example above. As I presume HERO just calls $0.06 more on the turn as he isn't allowed to raise?

As I presume HERO just calls $0.06 more on the turn as he isn't allowed to raise?

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Yes. I just called because I wasn't allowed to raise.

Yoshimiii said:

About this, how much difference does the pot to villains stack ratio need to be to allow us to re-raise instead of call, like in the example above. As I presume HERO just calls $0.06 more on the turn as he isn't allowed to raise?

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remus_ny said:

Yes. I just called because I wasn't allowed to raise.

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Right but what Chuck is saying is that you have to be aware of the size of the shorty when you make the raise. You're choices should be to bet big enough to put him all in OR bet small enough to let his shove over reopen the betting (like if our raise here was to like .95). It's a table awareness issue and here you have to know that he's going to shove over almost always so betting smaller and trapping MP2 into calling again before we shove/raise is likely best.

This should be at least double what you made it preflop. Hand plays totally differently postflop with the stack to pot ratios, reduced player field and ranges.

WVHillbilly said:

Right but what Chuck is saying is that you have to be aware of the size of the shorty when you make the raise. You're choices should be to bet big enough to put him all in OR bet small enough to let his shove over reopen the betting (like if our raise here was to like .95). It's a table awareness issue and here you have to know that he's going to shove over almost always so betting smaller and trapping MP2 into calling again before we shove/raise is likely best.

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That's what I was wondering, what is the maximum the HERO can bet on the turn to allow the short stack to shove over the top so that we can then re-shove?

Yoshimiii said:

That's what I was wondering, what is the maximum the HERO can bet on the turn to allow the short stack to shove over the top so that we can then re-shove?

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Here the MAX would be a raise to .98 (the 1/2 way point between the shorties bet and his remaining stack before the bet). The number can be found by adding the bet (.40) and the remaining stack before the bet ($1.56) and dividing by 2.