$5 NLHE 6-max: Donk lead turn in 3-bet pot?

I feel pretty clever... just wondering what you all think!

Villain is a 22/18 reg and has a 10% 3bet. Against that range, over half his hands are weak on this flop... some stronger hands will just call and allow us to see the river. The really strong hands raise and we fold.

Yatahay Network - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 337.8 BB
BB: 43.2 BB
UTG: 117.6 BB
Hero (CO): 121 BB
BTN: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠ Q♦

fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, BTN raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 4.6 BB

Flop: (15.4 BB, 2 players) K♠ 2♣ T♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 7.6 BB, Hero calls 7.6 BB

Turn: (30.6 BB, 2 players) 4♠
Hero bets 16.8 BB ....

Good hand, congratulations. Your leadership on the turn caused villain to give up hands that can hardly float in NL5, for example 9-9; 8-8; 7-7 etc. Another option is the check-raise line on the turn, if we believe that it is possible to obtain more value at this point and then cheat with our bluff range in the river, but always assuming the possibility achieving a high fold equity, in this rival that we are facing.
Greetings.

gustav197poker said:

Good hand, congratulations. Your leadership on the turn caused villain to give up hands that can hardly float in NL5, for example 9-9; 8-8; 7-7 etc. Another option is the check-raise line on the turn, if we believe that it is possible to obtain more value at this point and then cheat with our bluff range in the river, but always assuming the possibility achieving a high fold equity, in this rival that we are facing.
Greetings.

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Then at higher stakes those underpairs are calling?

I don’t think you need to have a donk lead range here given the turn is almost a blank, BTN can attack your line by raising anything on the turn

I am not really sure, what is the purpose of this donk lead on the turn rather than check-raising the flop? You dont have any hands, that improved on the turn, so your range is likely 100% bluff, which is problematic against someone, who can hand read. So if you are going to play this aggressively, I prefer a check-raise on the flop.

But you have to be a little carefull to not bluff to much here, since you only have a few hands like TT and KTs, that want to stack off for value, and a K high board does favour his range, since only he can have AA, KK or AK. The best bluffing candidate is QJs, and if you want to add more bluffs, then pick those gutshot draws, that also have a BDFD to back them up.

teh_colonel_saigon said:

Then at higher stakes those underpairs are calling?

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If the bets are not sizeable or they think you may be bluffing of course that yes.

May also want to consider adding AQo and JJ to your 4 bet / fold range pre vs a 10% 3bet reg. Stabbing OOP like this on the turn seems like more of a guess when we don't have much in the way of blockers. V is calling down or raising Kx and his monsters. What's our plan if he just flats? Give up, unless we improve? Bluff river? It's not like we are in position and can see what he does and decide to bet or x behind.

c0rnBr34d said:

May also want to consider adding AQo and JJ to your 4 bet / fold range pre vs a 10% 3bet reg. Stabbing OOP like this on the turn seems like more of a guess when we don't have much in the way of blockers. V is calling down or raising Kx and his monsters. What's our plan if he just flats? Give up, unless we improve? Bluff river? It's not like we are in position and can see what he does and decide to bet or x behind.

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OK, thank you for the advice.

@fundiver The turn bet firstly would be cheaper than a decent flop check-raise.

Second, while it is a stab in the dark, mathematically he will have to fold out a good part of his 10% range. I don't think he can bluff us here. He will even fold some pairs.

He will raise/call with better hands, so the plan is to give up on the river if we don't hit a J.

Thoughts?

teh_colonel_saigon said:

I feel pretty clever... just wondering what you all think!

Villain is a 22/18 reg and has a 10% 3bet. Against that range, over half his hands are weak on this flop... some stronger hands will just call and allow us to see the river. The really strong hands raise and we fold.

Yatahay Network - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 337.8 BB
BB: 43.2 BB
UTG: 117.6 BB
Hero (CO): 121 BB
BTN: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠ Q♦

fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, BTN raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 4.6 BB

Flop: (15.4 BB, 2 players) K♠ 2♣ T♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 7.6 BB, Hero calls 7.6 BB

Turn: (30.6 BB, 2 players) 4♠
Hero bets 16.8 BB ....

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Hello teh_colonel_saigon, thank you very much for sharing it. Considering we flat 3-bet preflop out of position, you are trying to represent, by donking the turn, some KT, 22, 44 and TT OTT, which is not the end of the world, because you are still drawing to the Straight Nuts. However, a check-fold would work just fine because these regs of micro-stakes, usually, when they are the preflop aggressor, they feel comfortable to be betting/raising/bluffing, regardless of the context.

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa

teh_colonel_saigon said:

@fundiver The turn bet firstly would be cheaper than a decent flop check-raise.

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You are risking the exact same amount of money regardless. The difference is, that you are not really setting it up for stacks, if you just call flop and lead turn. If he call, pot will be around 60BB with around 90 BB left. So to him it will seem like, he can probably get to showdown without risking his entire stack. Which is not the case, if you check-raise the flop. This is why, check-raising flop (or turn) should be the preferred line with your value hands and therefore also your bluffs. You simply give yourself more leverage that way, when stacks are this deep.