$200 NLHE Full Ring: JJ OOP in BB

$200 NL HE Full Ring: JJ OOP in BB

Live 1/2 game just sat down at table. Villian is unknown.


MP ($200) Raises to $12
Villian ($600) CO calls $12
Hero ($200) BB calls $12 (JcJs)


Flop: 2s2c3s
Hero CHECKS
MP CHECKS
Villian Bets $25
Hero Raises to $65
Villan Calls $40

Pot: $168
Turn: 9c
Hero .........???

Is this pretty standard shove here? I'm thinking he would fire the flop with any pocket pair/FD and my hand is way ahead of his range, plus it's pretty hidden since I flatted a raise PF. Anything I could have done differently?

JJ oop kinda sucks - without a specific read/reason to flat in the BB, this is an auto 3bet pf imo, esp multiway.

I gather MP folded the flop?

Yeah, against a guy flat calling pf in CO, I'm shoving the turn, we've got over 1/3 of effective stacks in already. I'm only really worried about 33/99, agree that worse pp's and draws are in play.

Woops sorry I'll edit that in.

Yes MP did fold on the flop.


I did consider 3-betting preflop somewhere in the $40+ region. My reasoning was that a 3-bet preflop would fold out most hands I'm beating except maybe AJ+/99+ and get action from hands that crush us QQ+.

Upon this flop and the PFR's check I really felt I had the best hand on the flop. CO probably would most likely slow play 33 here on the flop, and at this point i'd be damned if CO didn't raise with QQ+.


I'll hold the results for tomorrow thanks for your reply.

Easy push. What are we afraid of besides a random deuce or 33? If he has that congrats. Villain has over cards with spades or smaller overpairs a ton here. Get your coin in.... and yea def 3 bet this pre

TimmyOtool said:

I did consider 3-betting preflop somewhere in the $40+ region. My reasoning was that a 3-bet preflop would fold out most hands I'm beating except maybe AJ+/99+ and get action from hands that crush us QQ+.

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Yeah, I understand your reasoning - but playing JJ oop postflop really sucks imo.

Couple of scenarios -

1. Jxx flop. Halleleujah, we've setmined the second best middle pp. Happens infrequently - might as well have setmined w 22-TT as w JJ.

2. Flop w 1, 2, or 3 overcards. ch/fold flop? ch/call flop and ch/fold turn? Call down to river depending on villain's ability to apply pressure? Yuck.

3. Flop an overpair (your scenario). Let's say MP leads out the flop and CO calls, instead of CO leading - this is a highly unattractive scenario if MP also leads the turn.

Unless we hit a set, I'm not happy playing the above scenarios oop, esp w an underrepped hand (fold equity is poor) multiway. Just imo, fwiw.

Totally agree that playing JJ OOP really sucks, but I'd have no problem letting the hand go under extreme pressure from my opponents. This is live 10-ppl table, its different then the 6-max games online. So i'm a bit more cautious (nitty w/e) with committing to hands.

Honestly I'm expecting both of them to fold out if I raise to $40+. I'll take the action post-flop.

However I need to consider 3-betting PF with JJ a bit more, I hate that hand, but I think that is the only way I'll find better decisions/scenerios with that hand.

JJ has single-handedly given me the worse downswing of my life this past month, dropping well over 500BBs so I'm a bit wary whenever I see the fish hooks.

I think people are too affraid of JJ and it costs them money.

If you 3bet pre-flop, like you say you probably take down the pot right there.

If you 3bet and get a caller, you can probably take it down on the flop because it really looks like you've got big pockets. Not jacks, big pockets, when you could have JJ-AA and you seem to really like your hand regardless of what hits, just about everything will fold to you on the flop.

thepokerkid123 said:

If you 3bet and get a caller, you can probably take it down on the flop because it really looks like you've got big pockets. Not jacks, big pockets, when you could have JJ-AA and you seem to really like your hand regardless of what hits, just about everything will fold to you on the flop.

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Completely agree - but if you don't 3bet and have underrepped your hand, this doesn't work.

Thanks for the input guys, I've been re-evaluting my play with JJ recently just wanted to get some opinions.

I ended up putting the rest of my stack on the turn, and he called tabling KK taking the pot.

TimmyOtool said:

Thanks for the input guys, I've been re-evaluting my play with JJ recently just wanted to get some opinions.

I ended up putting the rest of my stack on the turn, and he called tabling KK taking the pot.

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Villain got tricky and just flatted with KK. By 3 betting pre, we could of gotten information on his hand. If he call/reraised, we'd fold since this is major strength. If he called again. We'd be a little concerned, but probably still go broke bc of stack sizes...if we reraised to $50 and he called wed have $150 left on a blank board that is $112. If we bet $80 into it we'd have only $70 behind and have to call a shove so the results would be the same, but had we been deeper we could slow down if he just flats or possibly fold if he raises.

As played though this is an autoshove. While villain had KK this time,. he'll have overs with spades or smaller overpairs a ton

Zybomb said:

Villain got tricky and just flatted with KK. By 3 betting pre, we could of gotten information on his hand. If he call/reraised, we'd fold since this is major strength. If he called again. We'd be a little concerned, but probably still go broke bc of stack sizes...if we reraised to $50 and he called wed have $150 left on a blank board that is $112. If we bet $80 into it we'd have only $70 behind and have to call a shove so the results would be the same, but had we been deeper we could slow down if he just flats or possibly fold if he raises.

As played though this is an autoshove. While villain had KK this time,. he'll have overs with spades or smaller overpairs a ton

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I was brand new at the table at the time, but later on I figured that Villian was super timid and on a heater. He would only play near nut hands pre-flop, rarely ever calling any kind of raise with hands other then AQ+.

So at the time when he had KK he probably didn't intend on playing them tricky, but he would have been afraid to get too committed with the hand by re-raising.

I figured a 3-bet PF would end up the same, since villian would most likely flat my 3-bet, I would have to bet flop, leaving me with change.


Um also, could you explain how it would work if I 3-bet to $50, then bet $80 on the flop leaving myself with $70. If he flats the $80 on the flop, am I folding my hand anywhere in this hand? Just curious why the betsizing. I understand its a little awkward cause of stack size.