This is a discussion on $200 NLHE Full Ring: $200 NLHE Full Ring: within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; A friend and I were discussing this hand - we had wildly different views on how it should be played. Wanted to bring it to
A friend and I were discussing this hand - we had wildly different views on how it should be played. Wanted to bring it to the group for discussion.
1/2 live game in a rake-monster casino - table loves to limp, loves to call.
Hero in hijack holding
Villain on the button calls. Has a notepad and appears to be keeping notes on each hand he plays.
SB and BB fold.
Hero checks, villain checks behind
Hero bets $15
Hero bets $15
Villain raises to $65
Now, the central question around the flop in our debate is this check because it's way ahead/way behind, or is it a case of c-bet because they're aren't too many jacks in his range.
What was the pre-flop action here? You said V called pre-flop, did you raise pre-flop and V called it? Or did you both limp in? Obviously you want to be open raising 1010 here in many cases. And if we're not opening,we can still call a small/standard PFR if multiple players in hand to set mine.
So assuming you bet out pre-flop and V just flat called you, I think a C-bet onto flop (maybe 30-40% of pot is good here); if they come over the top you can fold. But without the C-bet we have no idea where we're at in this hand, it's possible V called cheap pre-flop to set mine and if they didn't set mine 5s, the free turn you gave them could have made a set of 6s. Or they had something like QJs and spiked the trips on flop. Since they didn't re-raise pre-flop it;s likely they were set mining a low pocket pair or some type of Jx hand.
As played, I check the river for pot control and maybe, just maybe call a small river bet by villian; BUT likely would just check/fold river because it's unlikely they were looking for draws on the board and very likely they spiked trips on flop or turned a set of sixes.
January 15th, 2018, 9:16 AM
Join Date: Jan 2018
Game: Hold 'Em
It wasn't my hand, but it the hand was opened for 3bb
January 16th, 2018, 4:02 AM
Join Date: Dec 2017
Online Poker at: ACR
I think that you should be c-betting this flop 100% of the time. The reason is because he has SO many worse hands he will call you with here. AK/AQ type hands with 2 overs are going to float almost always here, and even small pocket pairs will continue because this is a board that will miss you frequently.
Your opponent: What hands does he show up here with that are way ahead? AJ? MAYBE a suited J9? That is too narrow of a range to be afraid of. You need to be extracting value.
Ask yourself this question "if I bet here will I be called by worse hands more than 50% of the time?"
In this case I think its a clear c-bet.
Also I think it was a good fold btw. Most likely he had a middle pair and boated on the turn or river.
January 23rd, 2018, 11:33 PM
Join Date: May 2013
I think the standard play on the flop is a c-bet; however, checking is not at all a bad play. Itís a trappy play (higher risk/higher reward), which Iím personally inclined to do if I am comfortable with my reads.
As played, I think you have to fold here unfortunately. Heís repping 89 (havenít seen spoiler) but could very possibly have a J. If heís bluffing, he could only have a busted flush but even that would be an odd play since you showed reasonable strength on an otherwise dry board.
January 23rd, 2018, 11:37 PM
Join Date: May 2013
re: Poker & $200 NLHE Full Ring: $200 NLHE Full Ring:
Also, I agree that check-call on the river is the correct play. You have showdown equity, you keep the pot small when out of position, you give him a chance to bet a worse hand, and don’t give him a chance to come over the top like he did.
January 24th, 2018, 5:07 AM
Join Date: Jan 2007
River has to be a check since you checked the flop. Your range is so capped (it's hard for you to have a great hand), and a lot of draws got there on the river. And your opponent can still be slow playing the nuts.