$20 NLHE 6-max: Right fold on turn?

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Moderately tight person raises in mp to 60c. Folded to me in bb with AQs, was thinking just calling (would be playing oop without betting lead) but i raised to $1.6. Villain quickly raises to $3.4. This is the point where i think i should've folded, but i call. Flop Ah Kd 7c. I check, villain bets small, $2.3. Seems suspicious, may want to get smaller pair to call. I call. Turn 6c. I check, and villain bets $4.4. I fold. Thoughts? Should i have folded preflop?
 
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I probably just call preflop. Our suitedness allows us to hit more flops, and tight players don't raise junk in middle position.

You can't fold top pair in a 4-bet pot, so I'm fine with a passive call/call line. This is a WA/WB situation.
 
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Yeah you should just call preflop after the raise,but if you 3bet`it like you said,fold to 4bet.
 
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This is a pretty tough situation to be in. We need to understand the villain's playing style to make a better decision here. If villain is a knit then the fold is ok (then there is also a case to be made of folding to a 4bet pre flop). Against a maniac we can continue check calling. Tough spot to be in. :icon_blac
 
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Yeah you should just call preflop after the raise,but if you 3bet`it like you said,fold to 4bet.

I'm not used at all to anything beyond micros, but after reading some theory, I gotta ask why 3-betting is wrong here? He has a hand worth playing Heads-Up and he is OOP. I think a call would be suited for massive hands that had no problem playing OOP, like QQ+. AQs is too weak for a call here in my opinion.

4-bet fold is what I would do regarding the hand though. Besides that I think everything went fine :)

EDIT: Actually, after a bit of research, I found something interesting. Check this out, in this video they PS Team Pro analyzes a hand pretty similar to yours (sorry if I can't post vids here mods :( I went over the local rules section and didn't find anything against it). Main difference being BU is opening, not MP. That might change a few things. Post-flop board is totally different, this just elaborates on the pre-flop play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maxQmN_0kMY&list=PLr-Bv2jU4e_YL3A6C7YKxTfikhTzTxEKA&index=9
 
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then there is also a case to be made of folding to a 4bet pre flop
This. You're either folding pre to the 4-bet, or going down with a pair of aces once you flop one. Top pair is what you're hoping to make with AQ. If you think you'll still lose when you make that hand, why call in the first place?
 
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3bet is fine but when he 4bets it is probably a fold (due to RIO if you hit your Ace/Queen and he keeps firing into you).

Reason is that you are ahead of his calling range vs a 3bet but behind a likely 4betting range.
 
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This. You're either folding pre to the 4-bet, or going down with a pair of aces once you flop one. Top pair is what you're hoping to make with AQ. If you think you'll still lose when you make that hand, why call in the first place?

Well said!!!
 
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This. You're either folding pre to the 4-bet, or going down with a pair of aces once you flop one. Top pair is what you're hoping to make with AQ. If you think you'll still lose when you make that hand, why call in the first place?

Exactly!
 
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Its a perfect hand to just call in the blinds, the hand has a lot of equity but you don't want to have to toss it away because you get 4 bet.
I don't think the hand is strong enough to call a 4 bet oop against a tight MP raiser. I might play it against a button 4 bet but not MP.
3 bet value hands that can stand a 4 bet or junk that's an easy fold from the BB not hands like this that can't stand a 4bet.
 
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If you are ok with the assumption he is playing tight you should've fold on the flop. Assuming he is a tight moderate he would play that hand that way with nothing less than AAs, KKs, or AKs.

Some players just change from loose to tight and from tight to loose in the middle of the game. thats a very clever strategy that he could probably have used but its impossible to know.

You should also take in count how the player was seeing you. as i see you were not playing as if you have AQs. You were to slow playing what might have made the guy think you were looking for something at the turn or river, so in order to make sure he wins the pot he agressively raised you to steal the pot quickly before you got a hit of luck in the river.

Good luck!
 
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