$1000 NLHE 6-max: Flopped monster wasn’t paid off. Should I have slowplayed on an extremely dry board?

$1000 NLHE 6-max: Flopped monster wasn’t paid off. Should I have slowplayed on an extremely dry board?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 27/22/1,8

I was MP with KhKs, the villain was UTG (VPIP 27, PFR22, AF1,8, 3B 5,5, Call 3 Bet 30,3%, Fold vs 3 bet 61%, 4 Bet 8,7%).
Pot 15$. Villain bets 35$, I raise 130$, UTG calles. Pot 275$. Flop Kd 6d 6c. I bet 132,5%, UTG folds.
I hoped that a standard c-bet wouldn’t scare him away. Also, I made it only half-pot.
Of course, it was obvious that he missed this extremely dry board, especially with me holding KK and K on the flop. But I thought that the flop bet was rather routine, while the turn bet might seem more threatening and real. If he called my 3-bet OOP he must have had a large pocket pair or AK. A pair might have wanted to peel…. Should I have played it differently?

You are always ahead here, and by checking behind here you can extract more value. You propbably realise now that a check behind would of been better, you are not scared of giving a free card and can make the turn bet seem like a bluff and potentially get paid off.

with hind sight being 20-20, you made the right play. Easy to question your play in respect to payoff, but maybe he had a good read.

guppystew said:

with hind sight being 20-20, you made the right play. Easy to question your play in respect to payoff, but maybe he had a good read.

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Sorry, but I can't understand what "20-20" means?

I do not know what you could do here. I mean, guys at this stakes are not idiots. How deep were you here? It was worth to setmine OOP?

No idea what is optimal but some different scenarios could be:
- even smaller flop bet so some pockets might still call
- check flop behind, check turn behind hoping for donk or call of our river bet - may be this line seems fishy, but works at times

May be let's ask from the perspective of the other player.
Let's have JJ or QQ, what do we do on all streets after all possible actions from the 3bettor?

iec said:

No idea what is optimal but some different scenarios could be:
- even smaller flop bet so some pockets might still call
- check flop behind, check turn behind hoping for donk or call of our river bet - may be this line seems fishy, but works at times

May be let's ask from the perspective of the other player.
Let's have JJ or QQ, what do we do on all streets after all possible actions from the 3bettor?

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Yes, I,d bet half pot to get calls from middling pairs hoping to think I missed. I think it's pretty difficult to get multiple streets of value here unless opponent is holding a 6, and that is highly improbable when he called your 3b.

Best scenario would be you flop bet, he calls with middling pair and he made a inferior full house, and when that happens you would be glad you built a bigger base pot on the flop.

So IMO, half pot the flop and just fire away merrily.

Edit: I also realized thers an FD there. On the off chance he has AJ or AT hearts, be may also call a half pot to try draw you out.

swingro said:

I do not know what you could do here. I mean, guys at this stakes are not idiots. How deep were you here? It was worth to setmine OOP?

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effective stack was 100 BB

iec said:

No idea what is optimal but some different scenarios could be:
- even smaller flop bet so some pockets might still call
- check flop behind, check turn behind hoping for donk or call of our river bet - may be this line seems fishy, but works at times

May be let's ask from the perspective of the other player.
Let's have JJ or QQ, what do we do on all streets after all possible actions from the 3bettor?

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It depends on the opponent. Against some people, especially with high 3-bet percentage and not very agressive postflop I might call one bet on the flop with QQ in the hope he is 3-betting TT-JJ or bluff. If he double barrels - probably fold

RodneyC86 said:

Yes, I,d bet half pot to get calls from middling pairs hoping to think I missed. I think it's pretty difficult to get multiple streets of value here unless opponent is holding a 6, and that is highly improbable when he called your 3b.

Best scenario would be you flop bet, he calls with middling pair and he made a inferior full house, and when that happens you would be glad you built a bigger base pot on the flop.

So IMO, half pot the flop and just fire away merrily.

Edit: I also realized thers an FD there. On the off chance he has AJ or AT hearts, be may also call a half pot to try draw you out.

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Half pot was exactly my size.... Smaller bets from decent players smell of desparate value-betting with strong hands which have little hope to be called. I am personally even less inclined to call such smallish bets which obviously try to lure me into calling by offering a good price than normal 2/3 bets which sometimes can be just bluff C-bets.
As for inferior boats - I can't see them here: he can't possibly have K6 in his range here

Falcon1803 said:

Half pot was exactly my size.... Smaller bets from decent players smell of desparate value-betting with strong hands which have little hope to be called. I am personally even less inclined to call such smallish bets which obviously try to lure me into calling by givimg a good price than normal 2/3 bets which sometimes can be just bluff C-bets.
As for inferior boats - I can't see them here: he can't possibly have K6 in his range here

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OK then it's clear. Just push the flop, that's the biggest chance the opponent puts you on bluff and calls

I have something to add.

If you flop the world like this, check through. If you flop the lower end of the boat, say A-A-K, bet it hard.

The opponent is OOP here and and check through might have helped him catch up a little, or he may just take a stab at it on the turn because you checked the flop.

Edit: the 3-bet preflop probably tipped villain off that you had a big PP.

Falcon1803 said:

Half pot was exactly my size.... Smaller bets from decent players smell of desparate value-betting with strong hands which have little hope to be called. I am personally even less inclined to call such smallish bets which obviously try to lure me into calling by offering a good price than normal 2/3 bets which sometimes can be just bluff C-bets.
As for inferior boats - I can't see them here: he can't possibly have K6 in his range here

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When i meant inferior boat i mean he turn a full house with his middling pairs. yeah btw i don't see how else you could play this. I very much doubt betting bigger would make you more likely to get called though

I think your play was correct, hi probably have jj or tt.
Whit the k on the flop and the pre flop action for him, the fold was the only option.

iec said:

OK then it's clear. Just push the flop, that's the biggest chance the opponent puts you on bluff and calls

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good idea it's never occured to me... As pushing doesn't make sense with AK, KK, AA a clever guy may have considered it as a pure bluff.... A more common player would just fold his pp....

Beanfacekilla said:

I have something to add.

If you flop the world like this, check through. If you flop the lower end of the boat, say A-A-K, bet it hard.

The opponent is OOP here and and check through might have helped him catch up a little, or he may just take a stab at it on the turn because you checked the flop.
Agreed
Edit: the 3-bet preflop probably tipped villain off that you had a big PP.

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My possible having an AK also changes in this spot little giving him little chance to hit the flop

no offense but if your struggling with these kind of decisions, you probably shouldn't be playing 1knl tbh

I would re-read some strat posts around here/watch some vids and solidify your game before you keep playing that high

Its not a bad play to check that give the chance to your opponent to bluff.

subtle brag, nice

what is done is done no regrets that was a standard play.

xdeuceswild81xx said:

no offense but if your struggling with these kind of decisions, you probably shouldn't be playing 1knl tbh

I would re-read some strat posts around here/watch some vids and solidify your game before you keep playing that high

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Anyone can play at any level he (or she) feels comfortable at and/or has the bankroll for it. Even if it's a fish, they are most welcome at any level I heard
And when he asks a question, it doesn't make him a beginner player or something, he picked the probably standard good solution, may be just looking for some inspiration and so on. Or may be it was playmoney

No offense honestly, but why are you playing 1kNL if you don't know the answer to this question? This is meant as a helpful question by the way. Maybe you're playing a bit beyond your skill level and don't realize.

i would check back just to let him bluff there is no cardthat scares u on the turn nor river so i will give up on agression and hope he catches an Ace.

xdeuceswild81xx said:

no offense but if your struggling with these kind of decisions, you probably shouldn't be playing 1knl tbh

I would re-read some strat posts around here/watch some vids and solidify your game before you keep playing that high

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I read a lot and have scrutinised a lot of good videos. Thank you for advice. But a lot of exsperienced people here have absolutely different views on the same matter. I'm sure there can't be only one best solution. That's why I'm asking questions. It's great to have a look from outside. By the way, I'm quite confident of my skills, but one can always learn and improve.

micromoi said:

i would check back just to let him bluff there is no cardthat scares u on the turn nor river so i will give up on agression and hope he catches an Ace.

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Basically, I agree. But the other side of the coin of slowplay is that if he had smth of SDV he might have checked all the way behind. So I thought that there's some chance he wouldn't be scared of a routine C-bet and call with his SDV hand. If I always slowplayed on such boards I might lose value from hands which have some SDV and are ready to call a couple of streets.