$10 NLHE 6-max: Range v Maniac

Hand details not needed.

Spotted a maniac calling a shove with any two cards, saw the hand before he called with 92off suit.

I limped with KQs because I didn't need to do the work for him. He 3bet me, I shoved.

He called with A2 and I didn't hit. So he doubled up through me. My reasoning behind it was I gave him less than 2 minutes before he got stacked, so I though KQs was ahead of his range and I wanted some of the free money before he got stacked.

Loose shove?



Few hands later he shoved 50bb on me and I snap called with A9s and turned the nuts so I got half my stack back and bust him from the table.


TL;DR KQs a shove against a maniac or not?

Just a bad habbit shoving Kx type hands... Because your behind soon as he has Ax type hands.

shove all PP and Ax hands

Interesting. I just consulted pokerstove and it seems KQs has more equity versus a 100% calling range than Ax type hands going as high as AJoffsuit. only AQ+66+ Has more equity than KQs.

I guess this is because the K and Q can draw higher than all the random high card garbage in his range where as A2-AT can redraw to an overpair if you pair your kicker with the low ace.

I suppose if you think about it, he can only have 1/4 (maybe 2/4) Of the Aces in his range, so the chances of you being up against an Ace are very slim.

All this time there was me thinking A2 was a better shove against a 100% range than KQ or even KJ was. It gives ups 63% equity where as A2 only gives us 54%

Hand details are always needed.

Shove is probably OK but we need to know how deep effective stacks are, size of 3 bet and size of shove.

maybe the 92 he was tilting from another table so wouldnt always go on what they did in one hand.

Also depends on your bankroll if your fully rolled then kind of makes it easier call especially if he is shoving everything as you can handle the variance. It could have got alot worse if you lost the A9 as you arent going to be a massive favourite and could end up chasing losses and even worse if he leaves the table

I observed him for about 20 hands or so before I decided to shove over top. He was probably tilting, but he wasn't going to tighten up his range, he was out to go broke. I had 50 buy ins for 10nl

I don't mind getting it in here, these guys bust quick so you really need to find spots to get it in when you are ahead and KQs should for sure be ahead of this guys range. This is probably one of the weakest hands we should get it in with though.

Had he 3 bet this large previously? I am going off assuming he has been a total maniac in these 15 hands.

He was 3betting about 1/3 stack every hand so yeah mate. He also called a flop shove with AJo no pair no draw against a set. He was just looking to bust. I think I was just unlucky to run into what is funnily enough the top end of his range (a2)

As you said, he was going to bust sooner needed to take the chance.

Lol i just hate kq pre allin .. it scares me

Ive tried to like it but cant haha... yeh A8+ better ofc i hate Ace rag cuz ifiots raise those n will outkick us with it

O me too, I can't stand KQ all in pre, and it tournaments I tend not to shove it at all. But as stated, it has a higher amount of equity against 100% range than Ax right up to AT so it's a good shove this time. I learnt something, I always thought Ax had more equity v 100%

Yeh i could prolly use that as well.. perhaps suited is even better

TheGenera1 said:

Interesting. I just consulted pokerstove and it seems KQs has more equity versus a 100% calling range than Ax type hands going as high as AJoffsuit. only AQ+66+ Has more equity than KQs.

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Even if you saw him call it off with 92 doesnt mean he has a 100% calling range. I've seen tons of guys on monkey tilt playing like this. If they doubling up they tighten up, start folding preflop etc. There's also a difference in their open shoving range vs their range for raising over a limper. Tbh I think you took a slightly -EV flip because of the rake.

Bigger point is if this tilted you enough to make a thread about it, you shouldn't be flipping with fish. Just pick better spots.

We only need to be up against a 28% calling range for this to be profitable with rake included.

This is 27.30%.

22+,A2s+,K7s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,76s,A7o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo

Like Bitowl says though, sometimes these guys do tighten up after a double up but I still don't think I am folding KQs here.

My opinion (2NL) is that you should stack of with 99+, AJ+, KQ. You can go lower too, but it’s frustrating when you lose and you start to doubt yourself.
Second hard job comes to learn away this range when harder opponents are seemingly playing same, but their AI range is much tighter, but it seems first hat same than here. I mean 3bet range same, but with skill shove call is going to be tighter.

I never said I was tilted, simply curious as it wasn't a play that I am familiar with. I took a chance and I lost this particular time but it's not important. I wanted to know if it was correct or not.

To be honest, I know you're right about doubling up etc, but even after doubling up against me, he STILL called all in on the flop with AJ v a set with 0 equity no pair, no draw. I'm telling you his calling range is 100% he was LOOKING to go broke.

He was playing like a monkey the moment he sat down, so something outside of my particular table must have tilted him. Maybe 10nl wasn't his regular limit.

TheGenera1 said:

I though KQs was ahead of his range and I wanted some of the free money before he got stacked.

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KQs is ahead of a range of literally any two cards, yes. That's not a limp btw.

Yeah I know I was confusing it with the A9 hand where I stacked him