$10 NLHE 6-max: 10 10 on the BTN fish LAG 3betsBB

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CO: $11.87
Hero (BTN): $20.85
SB: $21.69 26/21/2 35 hands
BB: $6.00 31/27/5 3bet BB 17% 140 hands
UTG: $10.24

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with T :spade: T :diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB raises to $1.20,Hero?

I am 3betting quite small to fold out the big stack and to induce a spazz jam from the short stack. He is play 25big blinds and you are way ahead of his 3bet range, he is probably squeezing atc here and will stack off with any pair + random Ax which we are doing well against.

You 4bet i presume then correct?If so What do you make it?
Edit:I'm sure it was a misread but he is 60bb deep
Should have added it but BB sq% was ~19% 8 hands

It was a pretty significant misread, I thought this was 25nl. I am not as happy getting it in but I still think we get enough folds, plus have enough dead money to make aipf +ev.

I am 4betting to like $3 to induce spew and to mitigate any damage from a SB back raise.

What is SB back raising with 77-JJ AJo,AQo,AKo?

I think that SB is almost never back raising, although it is a fantastic spot to flat monsters to induce a squeeze (can't see it at 10nl). I think you are crushed vs SB 5b range which is pure value (AA-QQ) and flipping vs BB 5b range.

So what about 4bet shoveing here.Even though we are 200bb deep and SB is 200 deep.

Shove, fist-pumping, getting it in with way worse, too. or 4-bet to $4 or so

oh ignore anything i said, thought bb was 200 deep! shove here seems fineeeee, he's basically a halfstack! first read it as bb was 200 deep with you which would of been an awful 4bet shove

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CO: $11.87
Hero (BTN): $20.85
SB: $21.69
BB: $6.00
UTG: $10.24

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with T :spade: T :diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $20.85, SB raises to $21.69
Hero say WTF???
I do think the shove might of not of been the right play

Well played SB.

I know it is now results orientated (somewhat) but yes I advocated raising quite small because ultimately we are raising for value vs BB but also raising to fold out SB equity. A $3 raise will do this just as well as a shove because the SB has no 5b bluffs in his range and in the unlikely spot that he has trapped with a monster, we lose the minimum by folding to his 5b

That is so sick lol, limp/call for 208BB. SB wouldn't have even featured in my thinking. I would've 4-bet non AI jsut because I think BB is more likely to stack off to that rather than straight all in.

just make it the size of the 60bb stack so that way you have room to fold if sb shoves. Its just as strong as shoving. I dont think the sb will have a calling range if you make it $6.00. Also i dont think he will be light if he back 5b jams.

I just auto 4bet and get it in here. 60bb effective stacks, a guy who has a very wide range and we have a premium hand.

Edit: Just saw the results now. I don't like to read comments before I say anything. Pretty gross, well played SB is right. Good learning point here to just make a standard 4bet and not shove with a guy 200bb deep left to act. He is folding to a normal 4bet almost all of the time anyways and the 1/10 times he is sandbagging something like this it really sucks.

What in the hell were you thinking?!?!

lol that's rough did he have JJ?
4bet fold to $6 next time achieves the same thing as shoving without the commitment.

I would like a proper 3bet% on the BB as well as the BB 3bet% as it won't have converged that much but he certainly looks like the sort of player to squeeze here. How many hands is the BB 3bet% based on?
Vs a 60BB 31/27 in this positions the 4bet is more than likely solid and the high BB 3bet% counts for something as long as he hasn't a 3%overall 3bet and it isn't 1/6 hands = 17%.

After the hand i thought any where from $3.30-$6 would achieve the same thing.I don't know if the SB 26/21/2 was due to small sample size (35hands).Or a bad beat made him spazz out.
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CO: $11.87
Hero (BTN): $20.85
SB: $21.69
BB: $6.00
UTG: $10.24

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with T :spade: T :diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $20.85, SB raises to $21.69, 1 fold

Flop: ($42.90) 9 :heart: 2 :heart: 9 :diamond: (2 players)

Turn: ($42.90) 2 :spade: (2 players)

River: ($42.90) 4 :heart: (2 players)

Final Pot: $42.90
Hero shows T :spade: T :diamond:
SB shows 5 :spade: 5 :diamond:
Hero wins $40.90
(Rake: $2.00)

Put me on AK obv...

Lol that is so bad. I'm wondering how SB got to the point where he had built his stack to 217BB

Epic thread.

5 stars - excellent!

um when we raise to $6 and SB shoves I'm not folding guys.

~$3.50 we fold right?
I would fold if he back raise shoves.Is my thinking right?

JOEBOB69 said:

~$3.50 we fold right?
I would fold if he back raise shoves.Is my thinking right?

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Ye. In fact $2.80 would do the job of committing the BB. $6 is too big.

I doubt 10NL villains 5bet bluff 200bb deep pots multi-way. Would be a weird spot as a flatted QQ+ or overvalued JJ is also going to be pretty rare but not as rare imo especially if the BB has been 3betting or squeezing lots.

JOEBOB69 said:

~$3.50 we fold right?
I would fold if he back raise shoves.

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Me too. He may have been hoping for a BB squeeze, and you've got to think his backraising range this deep is strong. Without a specific read, I would 4bet small/fold to SB.

In this instance, the reason he called was because he put you squarely on AK lol