OK, so it's all a fixed rigged farce, what next?

I've played on about 6 or 7 internet poker sites, and pretty much all of them have the same ol' routine and pattern to them, with odd quirks which suit sites specifically depending on their 'thang'.

I'm not really bothered with people trying to suggest any of these sites are not either fixed or rigged because their bull will probably be equal to some of the hands you see dealt every day.

I'm neither a loser nor a winner on these sites and often end up just playing for fun money, not real money, so I have no bone to pick or chip to flame.

My problem is just that I want to find out exactly how good I am at the game for real. Without all the fix ups and good runs/bad runs and the like.

I want to know if there is a site that exists which uses the principle of 'a genuinely random card generator' for players who simply want to play for intellectual skill based ego reasons.

A site which has no financial attachment other than banner advertising or intellectual funding and also a site which has no alternative interest in 'keeping you addicted'.

Are there any sites one can go to where one is able to play without having to try and second guess what the programme is trying to make one bid at the same time as judge one's own hand.


I would greatly appreciate anyone who know any such site and for them to provide me with it's name. All I want to do is play poker to find out if I'm actually good at it and for no other reason.

Thanks for reading and I look forward to your suggestions.

If you're not playing with real money then keep in mind most people playing with play money see every flop-turn-and river. Thus making even pocket aces probably no more than 55% favorite.
Hard to believe you've come to this decision while playing with "Play Money". Deposit some money and play solid. Each time you win a pot after moving in with an inferior hand write it down. Likewise do the same when you get sucked out on. I bet over a period of time they equal out. It's just we remember the badbeats against us more than the badbeats for us.

nc_royals said:

If you're not playing with real money then keep in mind most people playing with play money see every flop-turn-and river. Thus making even pocket aces probably no more than 55% favorite.
Hard to believe you've come to this decision while playing with "Play Money". Deposit some money and play solid. Each time you win a pot after moving in with an inferior hand write it down. Likewise do the same when you get sucked out on. I bet over a period of time they equal out. It's just we remember the badbeats against us more than the badbeats for us.

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I agree.

and i dont think ive actually sat down and marked off when i get beat or i win inferior hands, but i bet your dead right, they will equal out.

i generally feel like i see alot of bad beats, but thats part of the game, and sometimes i like getting beat for alot of chips to a complete donk, because i know he will just give it all back and some!

for me i smile when i get sucked out on because i know right there and then, that his win over me is finite and it eventually be returned somehow if i continue to play great poker. its what makes it interesting sometimes, the challenge to get it back.

Play your best poker, and win or lose you will come out on top. Basically in answer to this thread, i dont believe pokerstars is rigged i have played other sites for years and been sceptical, but this site has been my exclusive for ring games for the last 2 years or so. however i dont believe any poker site is rigged to keep you addicted. people who are addicted to loss, lose. simple as. and it wouldnt be worth it to the site anyway, as reputations go.

bad beats happen, if they didnt then i would start to look into rigging.


Also pokerstars does have a free playmoney section which is reputable. and lots of freerolls. pokerstars.com for the win.

I've played on about 6 or 7 internet poker sites, and pretty much all of them have the same ol' routine and pattern to them, with odd quirks which suit sites specifically depending on their 'thang'.

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then why not just play on the sites you have already played on, seeing as you apparently know about patterns that not many others know about? why not use this edge you have on the masses of players who don't think the site is rigged to make money?

Playeeeerrrrr said:

I've played on about 6 or 7 internet poker sites,

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what sites? so we dont suggest ones you have played.. i cant really think of any more than 7 that come to mind.

Lmao, and the bull moves in like shot.

It's not about bad beats, I'm equally embarrassed by my outrageous wins as by my oppositions.

I have sat in these on-line rooms and told other players what cards they hold before ANY bets have been made based on nothing more than my own hand.

And I do it regularly and with magician-like accuracy.

Now, back to the question:

Does anyone know any sites as stated in the requested Opening Post?

Dorkus Malorkus said:

then why not just play on the sites you have already played on, seeing as you apparently know about patterns that not many others know about? why not use this edge you have on the masses of players who don't think the site is rigged to make money?

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quoting myself

i mean if you can detect patterns that others cannot AND you can with some regularity identify your opponent's holecards with 100% certainty based on nothing but your cards, why on earth would you want to move sites?

Because even if you spot the fix, you still can't change it to your favour...

Isn't that obvious?

bluffmaster said:

Also pokerstars does have a free playmoney section which is reputable. and lots of freerolls. Pokerstars.com for the win.

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also quoting myself. call me a bull at least even critizise my advice. at least.

Thank you for suggesting pokerstars. I'll add it to my try list.

Any other suggestions?

Playeeeerrrrr said:

Because even if you spot the fix, you still can't change it to your favour...

Isn't that obvious?

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umm how can you not see that detecting non-random patterns in what others generally anticipate to be a completely random shuffle is hugely advantageous for you?

how can you not see that knowing other people's holecards based on nothing but your own is hugely advantageous for you?

what do you mean by "change it to your favour"? of course if something is fixed you can't change it but you can use it to your advantage. if flush draws hit more often than would be expected, go crazy with your flush draws and slow down when your pattern-reading skills indicate to you that your opponent has a flush draw. if whenever you have KK in early position the wonderful patterns you have detected lead you to be certain that the guy two seats to your left has AA, then don't get in a huge pot preflop.

Playeeeerrrrr said:

Thank you for suggesting pokerstars. I'll add it to my try list.

Any other suggestions?

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your very welcome

i would say try betfred.com they also have a play money section.

If you havent seen it already get on PKR.com they have nice free tourneyments and some form of system with your play money chips to earn things cant remember exactly but check it out.

Playeeeerrrrr said:

I'm neither a loser nor a winner on these sites and often end up just playing for fun money, not real money

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There isn`t any polite way to say this that I can think of. By your own statement above you are a weak player, and that is where your difficulty lies imo.

There are members here on Cardschat who are ahead thousands of dollars so far this year, and who expect as a matter of routine to be ahead thousands of dollars in any average 3 month period.

Don`t blame the cards.

It's not about cards deary.

The system simply chooses who wins out during the betting process based on several factors which have nothing to do with the cards, such as who's on a streak, who's not being eliminated, who's new and a host of other factors.

A great way to lose a hand is call someone a dumbass who can't play for toffee. Watch them flop miracles - against you. And visa-versa.

And yes, with play money my stack does increase a few k every day.

With real money it decreases a couple of dollars every day, but then that's just paying for the entertainment.

Egon Towst said:

Don`t blame the cards.

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enough said.

Playeeeerrrrr said:

It's not about cards deary.

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^^ That's not condecending at all for someone with like 5 posts all of which are poker is rigged because IRGoot.

Playeeeerrrrr said:

It's not about cards deary.

The system simply chooses who wins out during the betting process based on several factors which have nothing to do with the cards, such as who's on a streak, who's not being eliminated, who's new and a host of other factors.

A great way to lose a hand is call someone a dumbass who can't play for toffee. Watch them flop miracles - against you. And visa-versa.

And yes, with play money my stack does increase a few k every day.

With real money it decreases a couple of dollars every day, but then that's just paying for the entertainment.

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Proof, now! Or please kindly shut the hell up.

Playeeeerrrrr said:

It's not about cards deary.

The system simply chooses who wins out during the betting process based on several factors which have nothing to do with the cards, such as who's on a streak, who's not being eliminated, who's new and a host of other factors.

A great way to lose a hand is call someone a dumbass who can't play for toffee. Watch them flop miracles - against you. And visa-versa.

And yes, with play money my stack does increase a few k every day.

With real money it decreases a couple of dollars every day, but then that's just paying for the entertainment.

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you still don't see how you could use this to your advantage?

- if the software favours someone on a streak, start playing crap hands after winning a couple of pots in quick succession.

- if the software favours new players at a table, table-hop every 10 minutes. if it favours people who have been sitting at a table for a while, play tight (in fact just fold anything if it's very biased) for a while after sitting at a table, then play superloose after you've been at the table for a while.

- if the software causes people who call others a dumbass to lose, don't call people dumbasses and be sure to get into huge pots with people who have just called someone a dumbass.

again i ask you, why do you want to move sites when you have such a huge edge at the sites you've 'figured out'?

Playeeeer.. you are either trolling or delusional. The "rigged" theory of online poker has been tested intensively and repeatedly over the past 6 years or so. The important thing to note here is that results recorded from large samples of "live" hands compared with large samples of "simulated" hands compared with statistical game theory all line up.

You may simply be confused by software out there that claims to detect patterns in certain poker site's RNG (random number generator). These are, to put it kindly, a bunch of hocus pocus. If they were legit you could leverage that knowledge to win massive amounts of money.

Also, you talk about principle of 'a genuinely random card generator' there is, scientifically speaking, absolutely no such thing.

You're asking for a poker site which defies the laws of physics!

And if they didn't generate a few winners then they would have no-one to speach bubble the sites.

Every time I log onto a new site I win, I double my money in the first few hands. Then it all seeps away. (I only add like $25 so, as I say, I anit really bothered).

I'm sure if I added $500 a day for a week and played 24/7 I could make a small profit over time, but then I guess one has to be fairly committed to be bothered to go to all those lengths just to make a couple of k a month they could get by working for a living. (which they are, for the site...)

<-------- Online poker is rigged, lol

Playeeeerrrrr said:

And yes, with play money my stack does increase a few k every day.

With real money it decreases a couple of dollars every day, but then that's just paying for the entertainment.

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So youre only playing for entertainment in real money so the outcome sounds like its not a big deal, and you win in play chips at least 1K a day. Whats the problem then? Its sound like it doesnt matter what the cards are, you arent worried about winning or losing, youre just in some battle against card rooms that you think are rigged but dont really need resolution. Eternally upset is pretty much what it sounds like.

Unless you are able to completely prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a site is not rigged or fixed or whatever you think, you wont be happy. In other words, since that is impossible, you wont find a good card room to win thousands in play chips and lose a couple dollars a day in real money for entertainment.

I freely understand that a poker forum that is affiliated with most of the top poker sites will generate every bull in the book to defend itself against any daily claim of fix and rig, and this is no surprise at all.

I apologise for bursting your bubble.

I shall also add betfred to my list, thank you for the suggestion.

Playeeeeeeerrrr said:

Every time I log onto a new site I win, I double my money in the first few hands. Then it all seeps away.

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So the question I have is, if you know it's rigged, and you're losing money, why are you still playing? :hmmmm: Someone with that kind of logic I have to doubt what they think is "fact". Not trying to be mean, just saying.

Playeeeerrrrr said:

I freely understand that a poker forum that is affiliated with most of the top poker sites will generate every bull in the book to defend itself against any daily claim of fix and rig, and this is no surprise at all.

I apologise for bursting your bubble.

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Youre so much better at life than all of us. Continue to hang your sword of all-knowingness above my head. Woe is me...