did i make a mistake?

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Would like to hear your comments on the following hand:

32k guaranteed on Tilt. Last 130 players, so we are all in the money. blinds 800/1600 antes 200.

I'm on the button with almost 34,000 chips
CO is an aggressive big stack with 82,000 chips and regularly raises from the CO/button and SB.

I'm dealt KQ suited.

All folds to the big stack who makes it 4800.

I re-raise to 11,000. SB folds BB goes all in for 28,000. I called and he shows AK.

Should I have called the BBs all in? the way I saw it.... I was putting in another 17k for a 54kish pot.
 
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With an M of 7 and the smaller stack BB behind you still to act you should be pushing or folding here. Your small rereaise makes it easy for the BB to shove a wide range here to squeeze both of you just lucky for the BB s/he caught a great hand.

Let me put it this way, if your raise size was intended to induce a squeeze shove from the BB or a 4-bet from the CO then it was sized perfectly. If you raise was sized to win the pot preflop then it sucked.
 
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i don't like Harrington's M... I've tried it and prefer using a measurement of 10 BBs. I expected the CO to fold, which he did and given our positions didn't give much thought to the action behind me... which was a mistake.

You failed to answer the question though.... now that I have raised.... correctly or incorrectly.... do i continue and call the BB or fold keeping back around 22k in chips?
 
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of course... his fold could just have easily been induced by the all in as opposed to my raise... but now that I have 1/3 my stack in the pot with better than 3:1 on a call from an all in... is it right to call... potentially leaving myself crippled?
 
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I think what the other posters are trying to do is to get you to think about your play pre-flop.

After the BB shoves all in, after seeing a raise and a re-raise in front of them, I would fold KQ suited. Even getting 3:1, because the hands you are behind, AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ, make you more than a 3:1 dog and I would hope that;s the only hands they are pushing all in with after a raise and a re-raise in front of them.
 
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OK thanks... I was too pre-occupied with the agreesive player and stopped thinking about the action behind me... actually I was waiting for him to make that push so I could come over the top... but with the blinds and stack as they were I didn't factor them in.... soi do appreciate the pre-flop mistake.

Of course once I had made the mistake there were still decisions to be made now that the big blind has gone all in... so i wanted to be sure, now that I'm in that situation, what the right play was..... so thanks for addressing that also.

Basically... one hand... 2 mistakes... game over.. practically....

Just can't help thinking of a quote from Zen and the art of Poker:

"To escape the end of things you have to avoid the beginning" and no truer word was spoken than in this situation!!!
 
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No, you should not call

Right, the BB has seen a raise & a reraise and has still chosen to shove. Without a read, you can easily narrow his/her range to AA/KK/AK.
 
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I never call a big raise with KQ unless I'm short stacked because most times the raiser has a ace or big pair unless of course he is short stacked. In your example the player might have had a weaker hand but you had plently of chips and it just seemed too risky.
 
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i am new here. so what are these posts that i have to do to get in the freerolls?
 
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Hard as it is to fold K Q suited, you made the wrong decision. no pockets, or even an ace, you made the wrong call. sorry bro
I don't think its hard to fold any hand especially kq suited to a re-raise like this.
I agree you made the wrong move but I think I would have just called the original raise instead of coming over the top
 
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Bad call.

You either go all in there or fold, his reraise out of pos showed that he ATLEAST had an ace. All you have is K/Q and really didnt need to make a big move there. But the only move you could've done IMO is all in on the button, he still would've called seeing he had A/K but If you're going to do anything in that spot, all in was it.

GL on the felt.
 
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