re: Poker & Definition of a pro poker player
Originally Posted by Rumme1
Players I do not consider to be pros to be respected ;
phil helmuth - hes a asshole at the table, a bad loser, a bad winner. he definitley has some phsycological issues/ narrissism . It is no fun to have to sit at a table with players like Helmuth whom think they are always the best player and will verbally ridicule any player that beats him in a hand.
Stu Ungar - yes, he was the greatest gin player ever, 1 of the greatest hold em tounreny players, and he had a photographic memory , but he was a loser in the game of life and died broke, even though he won over 30 million in gambling.
Erick Lindgren..another example of a so called pro player , that won millions, and went broke and owes millions to other people because of his uncontrollable gambling habits.
In the end, I think any player that is unable to have the discipline to pull back from gambling, when they have lost a significant portion of their poker winnings, is lacking a basic skill that truly makes a person a poker pro that can make proper decisions when winning or losing.
Helmuth is a jerk most of the time, I have dealt to him about 4 times in WSOP
, even once on the ME money bubble, BUT he is by far one of the best (if not the best) tournament poker players in history. especially at NLH. Have to respect that at least....and no one said being nice is a rule (most of it however is an act plus tilt, we have all been mean on tilt now and then, and the rest the 'people' want to see).
Unger was a good tourny player too, but sucked at gambling and doing drugs, nice guy though mostly - no respect here because he threw it all away (at least Helmuth keeps his shit together)
Lindgren, another bad gambler, not sure about drugs, though is a very nice guy - a mix of helmuth and unger in life and poker, respect? TBD.
Respect or not, these guys were all pros by definition because they make (made) their living at playing poker, regardless if they blew it all on other gambling or drugs, are nice or not. And Lindgren will come back if he can keep his gambling at bay.