Cheating in On Line Poker

I just finished reading some articles on the Net about the 60 Minutes program about on line cheating. And, the fellow that could see the hands of other players at the table.

Makes me glad I am a micro stakes and Freeroll player.

Between the cheaters and the difficulty of withdrawing winnings from various poker sites. I believe I will stay a small timer.

Plus, not good enough to win enough to worry about anyway. LMAO.

:joyman:

Its not so much "online poker" in general, it would be foolish to assume that.

What is the problem, is some poker sites have security issues and flaws in their staff and software, specifically UltimateBet.

There has never truely been any cheating like this on FT or PS, the true problems stem from lesser websites.

mange said:

I just finished reading some articles on the Net about the 60 Minutes program about on line cheating. And, the fellow that could see the hands of other players at the table.

Makes me glad I am a micro stakes and Freeroll player.

Between the cheaters and the difficulty of withdrawing winnings from various poker sites. I believe I will stay a small timer.

Plus, not good enough to win enough to worry about anyway. LMAO.

:joyman:

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is it absolute poker you ref. to? where can i read it?

I use online to sharpen my live game. At least it gives me more hands experience without the hour drive and bankroll damage. I doubt I could bring myself to play anything higher than the micro stakes. Anyone cheating on the .01/.02 level is just some sicko busting balls.

rhulp1 said:

is it absolute poker you ref. to? where can i read it?

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The vid is on pokertube.com

Is it Absolute Poker and UltimateBet. "So Far"

Hey,

From what I read it is Absolute Poker and UltimateBet. You can read it by go on Google and write in " On Line Poker Cheating on 60 Minutes Program.

60 Minutes had a TV program about the cheating. There is also a video you can watch where the cheater is seeing everyones cards at the table.

Very interesting reading.

Yea, just Google different statements and you will find a lot of information.

Good luck,

mange

Monoxide said:

Its not so much "Online poker" in general, it would be foolish to assume that.

What is the problem, is some poker sites have security issues and flaws in their staff and software, specifically UltimateBet.

There has never truely been any cheating like this on FT or PS, the true problems stem from lesser websites.

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what about someone like Brian Townsend using two accounts? The guy says that he didn't cheat, but are you going to believe him? I know I don't not for a second... and to make matters worse all that full tilt did was take his red status away for three months and make him pay the rake... I don't think it matters where you are there are going to be cheats... oh well at the end of the day he's a millionaire

irnman76 said:

what about someone like Brian Townsend using two accounts? The guy says that he didn't cheat, but are you going to believe him? I know I don't not for a second... and to make matters worse all that full tilt did was take his red status away for three months and make him pay the rake... I don't think it matters where you are there are going to be cheats... oh well at the end of the day he's a millionaire

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To be fair it was pretty common knowledge that a ton of HS guys did it and the sites kinda look the other way. Then he comes clean and FTP decides to crack down on him.

irnman76 said:

what about someone like Brian Townsend using two accounts? The guy says that he didn't cheat, but are you going to believe him? I know I don't not for a second... and to make matters worse all that full tilt did was take his red status away for three months and make him pay the rake... I don't think it matters where you are there are going to be cheats... oh well at the end of the day he's a millionaire

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its not like he sat at a table with both accounts.. i dont consider what he did cheating but it is unethical imo
he got 6 months btw

So what about something like this ~Mod edit: LOL please don't link spyware software on the forum ~ is it real?Almost enough to make me stop playing online.

I hate those cheaters I'm a micro player and freeroll player too,
i guess it is better cuzz why do people wanna cheat in those table what
to win some spare change XD
don't think so just play for the fun of it guyss

That 60 Minutes story left so much out that you need to dig a little deeper than that to get a feel for what was going on.

There are volumes of info available on the UB AP story on this and other forums, this thread is not scratching the surface. Go and do your research.
60 Mins misrepresented a lot.
Yes there is cheating online. First, look up the hundreds of threads already available before shooting in the dark about dead horses.

Not shooting in the dark.

I was not shooting in the dark. Some of us have a life out side of poker and dont know everything as you apparently think you do.

I put the thread out to solicite comments inorder to learn. Not have some one be critical of my thread.

Learn some manners.


mange

I found the story on Youtube.com

here's the link very interesting story...

Part 1:

YouTube - CBS 60 Minutes Poker Face Part 1

Part 2:

YouTube - CBS 60 Minutes Poker Face Part 2

Like anything else in life, it's buyer beware. Take the time to observe a cash table before you start playing on it...a good poker player does that anyway. None of you guys have seen Rounders? You think live ring games are cleaner than online? Dream on. If you sit down at a cash game in Atlantic City of decent stakes, chances are pretty good at least half the table knows one another. Thank makes YOU the sucker, if you don't know anybody else. I'm not saying it's right, but, you gotta be CAREFUL where ever you play.

pantin007 said:

its not like he sat at a table with both accounts.. i dont consider what he did cheating but it is unethical imo
he got 6 months btw

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Indeed - I mean how different is it really to what Phil Laak did at the start of last year's Main Event?

Eli Elezra has stated on TV that he's got multiple Full Tilt accounts. Did they do the same thing to him? No. Nobody seems to care if Guy Laliberte plays multiple accounts either.

To be fair I think there have been other red pros that have been booted for similar violations. Names escape me though, and it certainly hasn't been any of the higher profile players.

And (getting back to the OP) much though I hate to say it, learning to deal with cheats has been something poker players have had to do since year dot. It's always been an issue with live poker and while yes the AP/UB situation was terrible and needed to be addressed, it's a drop in the ocean compared to what's gone on in live poker over the years.

The important thing is that legit players recognised the signs, warned each other about it and tried to get something done about it.

That's all we can ever do, really. If we waited until poker was 100% free of cheaters, we'd never play another game again - live or online. If that's more risk than you're willing to accept then OK, but if you've made the choice to play I certainly wouldn't want to stay a "small timer" on that basis alone.