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"When a player bets on the end he’s usually doing it either with a bluff to make stronger hands
Why is it bad to bet the river with a medium strength hand?
From the book Applications of Holdem:
"When a player bets on the end he’s usually doing it either with a bluff to make stronger hands fold or with a strong hand to get value from weaker hands, since it doesn’t make sense to bet medium strength hands if the opponent only calls when you are beaten."
In Upswing Lab DP says the same.
So this is about polarized ranges.
I don't get what is the problem to 3bet a medium hand, miss the flop and bluff the medium hand all the way until the river and try to win with a bluff. Why should we only 3bet with the extremes? In the text says that we will only get called when we are beaten, but if our bluff with a low hand is called we are also beaten, so what's the difference between being caught bluffing a low hand of a medium hand?
I don't get the point here..
PS: Is this even relevant for 5NL? Or nobody cares?
I think what the text refers is that, once at the river, there are two options, you either have the best hand, or you don't. So, you should be betting for 2 reasons:
1.- Get value from opponent as you think you have a stronger hand than your opponent.
2.- Bluff so that your opponent might fold his better hand.
This means that if you hold for example 89, on a board like A 10 J 2 3, if you bet a decent amount, players might fold Ax hands as there are two possible straights, and you might have represented one of those straights with your betting pattern.
However, if you hold the same 89, on a board like A K 5 2 8, your pair of eights will hardly force someone with an A or a K to fold. If you bet with your pair of eights, will your opponent call with just a pair of 5 or just a pair for 2? Probably not. Will they pay your bet if they hold an A or a K? Most likely yes. So in this case it doesn't make sense to bet, and you should be calling instead.
I simplified those examples by ignoring the suits of the cards, but I think the example is clear.
If you always bet your medium strength hands, decent players may adjust their play against you when they have better hands and just let you bet your mediocre ones so they can extract more chips from you.
Also, you got a good showdown value with this hands, but you don't want to lose more money than what you already put in the pot, so just check them and be happy when you earn that pot. Unless you have good read of your opponents, and know that they will often call you with bottom pairs, I don't see how this is going to be profitable.
As others have said, the river is a very black or white street, where we only need to ask ourselfes two questions:
1) Am I ahead of the range, which is going to call a bet?
2) Can I get better hands to fold often enough to make a profit by betting?
If the answer to 1) is "yes", we can bet for value. How much we can bet depend on the strength of our hand, and how elastic we think, the opponent is. If the answer to 2) is "yes", we can bluff. How much we should bet depends on, which kind of hand, we are trying to make fold, and how elastic we think, our opponent is. If the answer is "no" to both questions, then we an "in between hand", which is also known as showdown value, and we should check.
I think you should value bet your medium strength hands a decent portion of the time, because if you aren't, then your only betting the nuts. And then everyone will know to fold against you, and you will get no value ever again on river if people are paying attention.
If your betting into someone who is over folding however, or you don't beat there range of hands they are calling with, then there is no point to betting however, unless of course you are trying to bluff them.
re: Poker & Why is it bad to bet the river with a medium strength hand?
Good morning everyone, not always betting on the river with a medium strength hand is bad, it is important to pay attention to how the villain is playing this hand, analyze the board and know who the villain is whether he is a profitable player or not.
In my opinion in the micros it is not necessary to bluff, I only play value and I play mine according to the strength she has, but of course always paying attention to who the villain is, players with satck below 80bb, usually bet everything when they hit top pair, I don't take much chances and I wait for senquences or cracks and I increase my bankroll.