Originally Posted by mbrenneman0
I mean if you want to post a long answer ill certainly read it. I recognize its a very very broad question. But im looking for an in depth conversation. Great answer draza, I will certainly get that book. Maybe I should read that before finishing caro's book. and i Mostly looking for the ABC answer. If you're in position, if your out of position. If you have a strong hand, if you have a marginal hand.
I mean I think its fairly obvious what to do if you have air or if you have the nuts.
If you have a strong hand vs an unknown opponent and you're out of position, do you barrel the turn? Does this change if your opponent is passive or aggro? Does opponents style matter much if you're just playing ABC?
What about a marginal hand like a low 2nd pair in position?
Yea, i want to but the thing is that i get lost with long posts and start jumpng from topic to topic, it make sense when i write it but later when i get back to what i post im like, have i really wrote this???
Good to hear that you started reading easy game, it is definitely eye opening, and i think that it is only book that get into subject deeper with what are the reasons for betting and what that really means.
All it comes to what you wanna do with the bet, regardless of is your hand super strong or weak. You just need to ask yourself a question every time you wanna bet, the question is why im going to bet here, do i want stronger hands to fold or weaker hands to play, you see what is here as bluff and what is for value, when you are in situation where when you bet there is nothing weaker that might pay your bet and there is no stronger hand that will fold to your bet, you can see that there is no good reason to bet in that spot. It is not an easy concept to master, you need to include ranges in your assumption and that is the harder part of the deal but the concept is this, i wanna bet and there are this amount of hands in his range that we beat but they will still call our bet - value bet or i wanna bet and he might fold all second pairs or pocket pairs or weak top pairs against our hand - bluff.
Having a different opponent does make it a different but not much, for example against loose passive players who are our primary target of course that we wanna go 3 barrels for value with our TPGK or better, if we see hem calling even worse we can bet for value even thinner. Against tag regular you can assume that at these level they are too tight and dont defend enough, against those players you wanna steal a lot of blinds and wider and wider until they start to fight back, not all will fight back, they will stick to their tight and safe range and sb and bb and give you instant profit spot, also you should cbet against those people a lot cuz they will fold to much to your cbet, this doesnt mean that you need to go super crazy and betting every flop buut you should probably bluff at every Axx Kxx or low dry flops, QJxss or QT9ss are not good spots to cbet as bluff cuz they fall a lot in opp cold call range and you wont make them to fold anything that is stronger than your hand, this ofcourse doesnt mean that you shouldn't cbet for value your top set at these boards, simply because there are a lot of draws and pairs that will pay you. see the difference here???
Read the book, i was so into this book that i have read it in one night, you will see there what are good preflop hands and what are not, it will also help your turn situation, hands that flop good even if they semi miss the flop can drastically improve at turn, if you get more outs at turn you can semi blufff second barrel cuz river might give you the best hand and can bet for value on river or he might fold a second pair or TPWK hand to second barrel, it is tho really bad to maintain aggression if turn card dont improve our equity or gave us more outs.
All this being said you gotta know that we pass beyond abc poker and getting depper into ranges and stuff, those things we dont need to beat 2 and 5nl, believe me, i have beat 5nl and went break even at 10nl without even having 3bet bluff range and bluff lines and without even understanding what are the reasons for betting and cuz of that not really understanding the true meaning of betting for value...
hope this isnt too confusing