Raising donk bets on dry boards....Bad?

Just had this hand come up and it got me thinking if my raise was good or if I should have just called behind and seen what he did on the turn? Donk bettor was playing pretty passivley 50/0/1. For the future is this a call behind or raise?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): $2.86
CO: $0.80
BTN: $0.76
SB: $1.03
BB: $0.32
UTG: $1.05
UTG+1: $1.63

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q♣ A♠

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, fold, BTN calls $0.10, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.33, 3 players) 3♠ 5♣ A♥
UTG+1 bets $0.21, Hero raises to $0.62

Good raise IMO. be careful on the turn. Also with some stats it would be easier. If he is a nit or passive fish and he is reraise you, you should fold.

themosthigh said:

Donk bettor was playing pretty passivley 50/0/1

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Stats included in OP

Yeah, fine to raise here. He will be donking 43/K5/Ax. This is an easy raise/fold spot. You can get called by worse but if he starts to shovel chips in by 3-betting you then its time to let go. On later streets just bet until raised.

With passive player always better to bet and they let you know how good their hands are.
No point slowplaying might as well get value when you can and if they fold you probably wouldnt have got much value anyway

I'll have to disagree here. If you raise and he shoves you have to fold. Because he is passive. If you raise and fold you just gave up a chance for many beautiful cards. If you raise and he folds A junk you missed three streets of Value

i would have to agree with Huha on this one but it would depend on what your chip stack looks like....

Huha said:

I'll have to disagree here. If you raise and he shoves you have to fold. Because he is passive. If you raise and fold you just gave up a chance for many beautiful cards. If you raise and he folds A junk you missed three streets of Value

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Raising is better. We extract value from worse hands and gain information that lets us know if we are behind.

raising is better if you can afford him to over raise you, or i guess afford to pay for the info you may be gaining i guess (sometimes it is worth it)

Reading other similar hand histories and people seem to argue that just calling is a better play as if you raise you fold out worse hands and get raised by better. Basically a way ahead way behind type deal.

First we have a passive player getting aggressive. There are really no draws unless he's donking a gutshot which doesn't seem to go with his stats. If there was a flush draw out there or 2 connected cards it would probably be a good spot to raise and make him pay. Raising for information is never a good idea I don't think.

Looking back at the hand I think I made a mistake raising his donk and should have just called and seen what he did on the turn being prepared to release my hand if he fires big again. His bet size is pretty good. Not like he's donking for a bb or less than half pot.

Those guys usually do this with sets or at worst 2 pairs. So if I have no history with him I fold my one pair and observe him further.
Seriously, if he does this with garbage and you note that then this small fold is nothing compared to what you will make from him.

If bet sizing was smaller (in this case something like 0.06-0.08) I would say it is a smallish pocket pair that wants to see if you will fold your 2 overcards.
I normally raise small donk bets BTW, and no they don't always fold that crappy pair of sevens they donked with but they call it to the end.

If donk bet is a minibet, then I pretend it didn't happen and fire my normal cbet into him.

Raise, because if you call you have no information (without stats). You can't slow play TP second kicker, better miss some value streets than calling like a donk

remus betting or raising for info is a leak

http://www.thepokerbank.com/articles/strategy/poker-mistakes/

9. Betting for information. You never bet just to try and get information. You're either betting for value or as a bluff. Information is just a result of what happens when you bet for value or as a bluff.

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You are not betting for info. You are betting for value. He will call with worse and you extract on later streets. If he comes over the top then you have allowed yourself to get away from the hand here and save money. The raise doesn't have to be excessive.

Some players will donk bet a strong hand to get the original raiser to auto re-raise just because its a donk bet.

I would totally donk bet a reg with a set.

Nah, if a 2NL "reg" totally whiffed he won't call, but he will usually cbet anyway. Therefore you check.

Make a note of the hands they donk when you see SD, and then deal with as appropriate.

Cafeman31 said:

Make a note of the hands they donk when you see SD, and then deal with as appropriate.

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