This is a discussion on Going Off Table (30 days) within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; Hi all. Recently as some of you know I self excluded for 1 week and began a 50,000 hand investigation into my play. The leak
Hi all. Recently as some of you know I self excluded for 1 week and began a 50,000 hand investigation into my play. The leak series is still coming, and I will have the next installments up very soon. I just have some other things going on at the moment and will be back soon. Joining this forum, and self analysing my play during replayed hands has created a big upswing in my Winrate and red line. By watching myself play and painstakingly weeding out leaks I am already feeling the change in my game. Posting up my thoughts and getting excellent feedback from members (both positive and negative) has generated a paradigm shift in my Poker mindset. Very grateful for the time and energy given by members to analyse my thinking processes. In fact, the week spent off the tables self analysing has been so successful that I'm extending it to 30 days. This time will be spent picking apart the math I use at the table during hands, comparing my decision making processes to advice received from colleagues here, and weeding out yet more leaks for the leak busting series. I'm looking forward to a long and gruelling off table grind.
Good luck to you. It seems that you are very serious.
3rd August 2017, 6:13 PM
That's the way to do it, good job!
4th August 2017, 3:20 AM
Online Poker at: ACR
I think this is a good idea, in theory. But, I am also a huge fan of incremental improvements. If you go and try to fix every leak you find over 30 days, all at once, you are going to be biting off a whole lot. It might be more than you can handle.
Taking a week off is a good thing. I do that. During that week, focus on finding a weakness or mistake that is common in your game. Then, I would start playing while actively working on fixing that class of mistakes. Maybe play a little less, but work on bringing that part of your game up. Then, in your off time, keep looking at your old hands and the new ones you are playing. Once you have found a different type of mistake, and feel like you've improved on the old one, you start actively working on fixing that next one.
You do this while you play. It makes it a lot easier. This is how we learn anything. I am not a good Omaha player. And, I realized that a big mistake I was making was focusing on fixing all my errors at once. I was trying to improve everything at the same time. Instead, I was not making progress on any of them. Since that time, I have decided to focus on a very narrow subset and improving the mistakes I was making there. In particular, I was/am playing too loose out of position and not focusing on the whole pre-flop to flop situation. That's a big leak in omaha, as certain hands lose or gain value based on a bunch of pre-flop factors which translate into flop scenarios.
I know there are weaknesses in other areas of my game. But, I am making much more progress by working on this one first. I still try and avoid mistakes for other areas, when I play, but I am focused on this. I watch my own hands for these things and my opponents' hands. Because I am working on just this part, I find it easier to improve on it. When I was aware it was a problem, but was trying to fix 10 other things at the same time, I wasn't actively focused on any of them enough to make progress.
Incremental growth is a process. And, part of that process involves practice and incremental improvement. If you skip the practice, you have all the information in your head, but you will be drowning in too much at one time when you play.
I hope you get what I am saying. If you still decide to take 30 days, that is great. But, I would stress finding one or two things that you consider your "biggest" problems and work on fixing those first when you come back. You can be aware of other areas, but really focus and grade yourself on your growth in those specific spots.
4th August 2017, 4:30 AM
re: Poker & Going Off Table (30 days)
Here's to good health and mental well-being. I've been able to identify with every leak thus far, so by all means keep on plugging 'cause my game is slowly seeing results (when I'm not facepalming after trusting my gut). And while I didn't read Vinnie's entire wall of text, I skimmed it and saw something about practice and play and just have to say that there's definitely a feeling of satisfaction when you get to see the results of someone else's hard work in action.