WPN RNG Question

Question WPN do to manipulate your RNG in any way?
I had a long conversation with a systems and game developer : he states there can be a manipulation script to privilege some players.
Algorithm from the shuffling, distribution, betting, checking of winning hands, pot distribution and so on are effected .
If others have legitimate or solid information that relates to RNG manipulation please advise.

Note to viewers : WPN is the network that runs ACR and BCP and TP

I'm curious as to what incentive WPN would have to manipulate the data to favor any one player over another. The player would have to be aware of such a system as well I think. Otherwise, how could you code something to account for someone folding a premium hand or shoving with a bad one? You'd need a neural network to handle all sorts of human factors to ensure one player gains all the advantage without them being aware. Not that this is all outside the realm of possibility, but again, what's the incentive? What's the payoff for such a system being developed and implemented and then working behind the scenes without being discovered by the other players? It's easier to simply build a fair system.

HeyMan said:

Question WPN do to manipulate your RNG in any way?
I had a long conversation with a systems and game developer : he states there can be a manipulation script to privilege some players.
Algorithm from the shuffling, distribution, betting, checking of winning hands, pot distribution and so on are effected .
If others have legitimate or solid information that relates to RNG manipulation please advise.

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Probably not.
If they want to cheat, there are more easy ways to do so.
Different question: is the RNG sufficiently random?

RNG sufficiently random

8bod8 said:

Probably not.
If they want to cheat, there are more easy ways to do so.
Different question: is the RNG sufficiently random?

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Good question !iTech Labs is who does the certification for WPN - they state gaming systems are independently according to the requirements of the gaming regulators in the respective jurisdictions. They do not approve, license or monitor gaming systems. They do not develop or supply the software. Apart from certification, they have no commercial relationship with any gaming software provider or casino operator.


I tend to agree there are definitely lots of easier ways to cheat we they wanted to.

These threads are so stupid. Come on every day these thread show up. You should focus on getting an hourly rake or per BB rake. A high frequency-revenue-percentage based rake is the obvious scam. So are un limited re-buy 6 hour late registration tournaments or The Beast Sit-N-Crush promos that favor highly experienced grinders. No one is rigging the micros. Focus on bots, gold bullion pay outs, getting a great value for the gamble promotion NOT the "RNG".

Focus on Bot's ?

playinggameswithu said:

These threads are so stupid. Come on every day these thread show up. You should focus on getting an hourly rake or per BB rake. A high frequency-revenue-percentage based rake is the obvious scam. So are un limited re-buy 6 hour late registration tournaments or The Beast Sit-N-Crush promos that favor highly experienced grinders. No one is rigging the micros. Focus on bots, gold bullion pay outs, getting a great value for the gamble promotion NOT the "RNG".

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So are you saying you run Bot's?

HeyMan said:

Good question !iTech Labs is who does the certification for WPN - they state gaming systems are independently according to the requirements of the gaming regulators in the respective jurisdictions. They do not approve, license or monitor gaming systems. They do not develop or supply the software. Apart from certification, they have no commercial relationship with any gaming software provider or casino operator.


I tend to agree there are definitely lots of easier ways to cheat we they wanted to.

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Lots of interesting stuff there....
Most of the quality assurance stuff does not provide (or verify) the proof of the randomness of the RNG. They certify the procedure, without checking that the procedure does what it is intended to do. The basis of most ISO's.

HeyMan said:

So are you saying you run Bot's?

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No not sophisticated enough to do so. But the micros are not rigged by the house software Guaranteed. There are several threads on the 2 + 2 forums linking to dark net websites that sell bots and they list ACR as "low" security. The bots are a real problem for micro and low stakes players which they slaughter. These bots play 24 hours 7 days a week in rotation shifts and especially at Omaha.

What I am saying is there are legitimate concerns and then their are NOT legitimate concerns that's all.

legitimate concerns

playinggameswithu said:

No not sophisticated enough to do so. But the micros are not rigged by the house software Guaranteed. There are several threads on the 2 + 2 forums linking to dark net websites that sell bots and they list ACR as "low" security. The bots are a real problem for micro and low stakes players which they slaughter. These bots play 24 hours 7 days a week in rotation shifts and especially at Omaha.

What I am saying is there are legitimate concerns and then their are NOT legitimate concerns that's all.

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I 100% agree with what you are saying ! I played 100 of hours of PLO on ACR and finally quit because the security to detect bot use is basically non-existent. Even when several players would report known Bot's they would do nothing ! Think about it ~ It is in the sites best interest to let Bot's play. The new bots are cheap ,damn good , easy to set up and program that why you see more and more all the time.

Bots are reliable rake generators. As long as the deposits keep coming, the bots are staying too.

HeyMan said:

I 100% agree with what you are saying ! I played 100 of hours of PLO on ACR and finally quit because the security to detect bot use is basically non-existent. Even when several players would report known Bot's they would do nothing ! Think about it ~ It is in the sites best interest to let Bot's play. The new bots are cheap ,damn good , easy to set up and program that why you see more and more all the time.

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I disagree. I don't think they're all that great for the site.
a) is chases away new & bad players (bots can easily beat many players, including bad regs. imo)
b) with newer players giving up & getting frustrated they will eventually quit & stop depositing (or they join CC to get in the freerolls, lol)
c) recreational players hear about BOTS in online poker & it will keep them from playing.

Maybe it's not in the site's best interest.... think about it... Just look at your own story.
They want new players (depositing) ... & they want recreational (losing) players to keep on depositing.

Pretty sure bots don't do much depositing.

Just look at your own story

Poker Orifice said:

I disagree. I don't think they're all that great for the site.
a) is chases away new & bad players (bots can easily beat many players, including bad regs. imo)
b) with newer players giving up & getting frustrated they will eventually quit & stop depositing (or they join CC to get in the freerolls, lol)
c) recreational players hear about BOTS in online poker & it will keep them from playing.

Maybe it's not in the site's best interest.... think about it... Just look at your own story.
They want new players (depositing) ... & they want recreational (losing) players to keep on depositing.

Pretty sure bots don't do much depositing.

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I don't think it matters. With limited options in the USA to play online players will keep coming even if others walk away ( plus some can't walk away). The sites goal is to collect as much rack as possible. I quit playing on the site mainly because of lack of security - not just bot's but because collusion they treat about the same way. Besides that we have excellent live PLO games in my state which are preference .. good luck at the tables !

I will crush bots period.
Is more about non bots and calls in a situation were a call is made that is in no way a winning call.
However the call is made and something short of magic happens for this player.
Often is not once is often.This is why players are ? ing the RNG and deal.
If a certain player has knowledge of a hand that wins why would they not call no matter the board or %. That is the only logical reason.They can type I was on tilt or mis click when actually is a know play by certain players with very low %.