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It depends on many things like for example table dynamics, etc.

Generally, its bad to slow play premiums.
 
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there is little to no information on the moment you shove, sure there can be a limper and/or a raiser before you but besides that you have absolutely no controle nor play to read someone.
Early in a tournament you dont know the players that well yet so its quite a risk.
Sure in low-stakes or F.R tournaments you should isolate and push a lot because of the fishermen friends but still i like to avoid it as much as possible.
Also i really enjoy the game the thinking what can he have and try to see why i was wrong or whatever the play brings. that is poker for me i can go to an online or live casino and trow some money on a blackjack table or roulette table but i dont like that and sure dont want to combine those games with poker ;)

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raise high enough to try and get fish to fold...i try not to go all in pre flop as said above pocket 2's can take u out possibly then u might have to break a laptop if that happens lol
 
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it just really depends on how big of stacks we are talking about. The bigger the stacks the less valuable 1 pair hands are. The shallower the stacks, the more valuable just having 1 ace in your hand is...

Generally I like to play lots of small pots, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to flat a bet with AA or KK. with AA I'll usually keep re-raising until villain folds or flats, or until the stacks are in....I mean if I can get my stack in the middle as an 80+% favorite, then I'm going to do that regardless of how I feel about "preferring to play small pots".

Then there are times that I'm short enough that I'm fistpump shoving All-in Preflop with hands like A9...

stack size stack size stack size
 
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Just open shoving or 3betting all in early in a tournament is not a good strategy as the stacks tend to be deep and you will be missing value a lot of times.

Not only that the rest of the players will mark you as a loose fish and they might look to isolate you in future hands taking advantage of their position and your weak play.

However slow playing is a different matter and it is definitely a better recommended play compared to just open shoving. However often while slow playing you might end up facing multiple opponents post flop (not a good situation to be in) and also you will not know where your hand stands compared to others unless you improve.
So you might either get out played by a worse hand since you only have one pair and are unsure of it's strength OR you might overplay your hand and end up losing to a better hand. So it might turn out to be a post flop head - ache. So use caution while slow playing. :cool:
 
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The idea of going with all with AA kk does not say to you that it is going to win always everything it will depend on the situation of the tilt of the position where he finds you in opposition to which players it must do all that.
 
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Its very strange game when big stack all in in preflop.. This game only can in micro limits i think... If this in micro limits you can go all in with only AA KK QQ it be right game.. If have AK AQs+ JJ TT 99 and less better fold this hands, if villain shove whole stack in early game..
 
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It's never a good idea to slow-play premium hands in a tournament. Maybe in a cash game, but slow-playing aces is a great way to get them busted by 74os.
 
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This strategy is played if the top of hands or at a late stage of the tournament, the players have a short Bank. In most cases, they throw the cards to reach the money.
 
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i dont think its good too shove all in preflop as you could get donked by some donkeys bs cards
 
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I agree with what u guys said and yet i dont agree. I believe that in all tables u have fish and donks, but its relative to know that the lower stakes or even FR tournaments u must change up style a bit. AA pre raise for a 1/4 of ur stack u will get a 98 56 10J calling u every time and will usually hit. Now i know u want those calls b/c u think u will get better value but in my personal experience and opinion they will 9 times out of 10 bust u. But early in a tourney when u push AI with the Ks As and bigslick u will only find paints and moderately low pockets calling. I guess u must take in to consideration all the variables of the tourney. But if u find urself at a good table with actual players and a decent buy in i believe playing how u both said is the correct way

i dont think its good too shove all in preflop as you could get donked by some donkeys bs cards

so dont shove the best hands cuz you lose 9 out of 10 to bad cards:confused::confused:
I would get it in with against fishys with a wider range anytime,
cuz I seem to win 7 out of 10 times+, so being donked 3 times isnt so bad in the long run, and occassionally you are called by better and donk them too:p
 
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win lose or draw u want to get your money in with kk or aa pre flop if possible
 
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Don't slow play premiums early in a tourney,unless your willing to drop the hand after the flop ,you will get set mined straight out of the tourney,especially with someone with an aggressive bust or win mentality.
 
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Early in the game with 100+bb I like to go all-in especially from early position with AA, as many people make rather interesting calls in first levels and because the value of getting all-in pflop is so huge pflop and after flop comes in you otherwise usually are in precarious position to play OOP with your aces.

It's very rare to get to win big pot with aces in early game, you many times either win small amount or lose a lot.
 
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In many ways I agree and Administration has a lot of good players. But I have suffered the loss of all sense of playing poker freeroll bingo games. A Software programs have become providnikarte in some stages of the game did not matter! With time and every strategy loses its meaning and the whole game!
 
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If I have a good position with few players left to act, I'll go all in with AA/KK even QQ in some cases or a big raise as blinds are small in early stages. If I get called, the rest I play based on the f,t,r and the person I am against.
 
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Its not a very good idea to slow play AA or KK cause the other player could be set mining even with small pair for example pockets 2.Raise at least 4bb and shove against 3bet.
 
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Half of the time i go all in with AA and KK or 3bet or 4bet with them but with AK i play that hand with slowly it just a big drawing hand.
 
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It like almost every thing else depends on your position of course.If you are in early position sometimes it certainly can be better to 3 4 or 5 bet ,hoping for a call or reraise.Especially against overly aggressive opponents.But for me I almost never slow play AA .It just kills me to slow play let a small suited connector see the flop and hit their strait or flush.I know some bigger suited connectors are likely to call a 3 bet especially from the button,but it just doesnt hurt as bad to me to be beat by KQ with AA as it does 67 or 9 10.It may be something I still need to improve on in my game,but i absolutely hate slow playing AA.
 
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high pocket pairs early on... depending on position and action... im generally gonna standard raise early positions/3bet big if already raised... slightly bigger raise in late positions (likely gonna get called so gotta extract that extra value)... however if called... keep board texture in mind... those pesky suity connecters sometimes hit
 
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It is bad idea to slowplay AA and KK. Often the villain will hit 2 pair, combodraw, set.. Dont let that happen to you. You should raise according to your and their chipstack just enough so you wont scare any good cards and still build the pot
 
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At the beginning of a tournament I would play with AA KK cautious.I do not want to be kicked out of the first :)
 
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Bad idea to slowplay AA and KK you must be go all in before preflop
 
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Early in your tournament is it a safe bet to go all in pre flop. Your only looking at two cards you don't know how other player are playing yet. I get so crazy in a game when you go all in you with Aa Kk to call all in you should have a top ten starting hand to call and the range of hands that do call off the chart. Now with AA KK I tend to slow play see the flop cheap then make a move. Am I wrong or playing to cautious?

In online poker if you playing to slow with the hands like AA or KK don`t be to much suprised if you lose against hands like 2-7, it happens all the time. ;)
 
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At the beginning of a tournament I would play with AA KK cautious.I do not want to be kicked out of the first :)
I think that is bad idea that can actually lead to kicking out of a tournament.:D
 
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