How to manage against donky's

[BelgoSuisse]

As far as i can tell, OP shortstacks microstakes on a single table and complains about variance? Why am i not surprised?

 

[Pascal-lf]

In this thread I have learnt that crazy donkeys who never fold marginal hands will only ever call with TPGK, sets two pairs and overpairs...

See how what you are saying contradicts itself?

 

[Daniel72]

Playing with donks can be very painful, but beating them in the long run i one of the easiest tasks. Just play straightforward level 1 abc poker and valuebet hard. Don´t bluff or make any fancy plays. It´s really easy money if you stay disciplined. The donks are your best friends !!

 

[JOEBOB69]

Reread post #4 and add
Don't buy in short, buy in 100bb
Thats about it \thread

 

[RamdeeBen]

Very painful indeed especially when being sucked out left right and centre but over the long haul if you're getting your money in better than them, it's impossible to lose.

Just try to think long term. By the way you feel more variance on line than live purely because of the amount of hands you're playing. There will be a point at live where you hit down swing too I'm sure.

 

[bgomez89]

Donks are unbeatable avoid them at all costs

 

[TheGenera1]

Ok thanks, some more good comments and some not so good ones but I think there is some good advice here. ABC is the way to go against them and patience as well.

Im afraid that I DID play micro stakes short stacked and then DID complain about variance. This is because I am trying to build my bankroll. I do not have the funds available to play 10 tables at a time full stacked. Well I have JUST enough, but I'm simply not good enough yet to risk my entire bankroll in one sitting.

 

[stuedoopoker]

2) Ugh this range is so bad, AA-JJ would probably have 4-bet shoved pre. so realistically he can have QJ and 22, as Q2,J2 aren't likely to call a 3-bet preflop. If villain is as bad he says, he could also stack off with AJ,KJ,KQ, Q10, 1010-77, maybe even J10, 10-9 or K10. Nothing wrong with stacking off here with TPTK, maybe rethink this if 100bb deep against a competent opponent

Have you never seen people flat AA-JJ pre at these stakes? lol, they are totally in his range.

And just because op says villain is bad doesnt make it so.

So we cannot assume villain stacks off on straight draws and second pair.

Perhaps the villain is a semi competent LAG. People like OP, sometimes, make their hand ranges pretty much face up thus making playing hands you might think of folding profitable at times. Now I am not advocating calling J2 or Q2 oop to a raise pre. But if you can call a small raise in pos, and know the villain will stack off TPTK it makes some sense to call them light every now and then. Plus you also know there will be loads of fold equity if no broadways hit the flop.

 

[TheGenera1]

Meh, that's smart play and it's something that I watch out for and also use my self. However i assure you that this player was a complete moron, bluffing with 8-3o on a paint dominated flop. It was impossible to even come remotely close to putting him on a hand.

 

[Neoblast]

Meh, that's smart play and it's something that I watch out for and also use my self. However i assure you that this player was a complete moron, bluffing with 8-3o on a paint dominated flop. It was impossible to even come remotely close to putting him on a hand.

Well, some pro poker players like to do that, being unreadable at a certain basis is basic for good strategies and can be taken as donky playing.

 

[PurgatoryD]

bluffing with 8-3o on a paint dominated flop. It was impossible to even come remotely close to putting him on a hand.

I think must of us can understand the frustration factor of someone betting, calling, or raising with 83o only to make a hand out of it. Short term, donks can be painful.

But long term, just enjoy their money. As others have stated, have patience and don't get too fancy. If the odds are with you, you'll come out ahead over time.

 

[TheGenera1]

Is it me, or are the majority of donkys from Russia and Spain.

I just lost a hand to someone who was short stacked. Some one bet 3 times the BB Some one else Called and I had had pocket kings. So I re raise to $1.20 (12 bb) and one folds, and the other calls with half his stack. Flop comes Queen Ace shit. He goes all in for a dollar. I call and he flips over Ace Jack. HE called 1.20 with Ace Jack. If I had Ace King or Aces or Ace Queen he would have lost regardless of the ace on the flop.

Makes me so mad.

 

[MediaBLITZ]

Is it me, or are the majority of donkys from Russia and Spain.

I just lost a hand to someone who was short stacked. Some one bet 3 times the BB Some one else Called and I had had pocket kings. So I re raise to $1.20 (12 bb) and one folds, and the other calls with half his stack. Flop comes Queen Ace shit. He goes all in for a dollar. I call and he flips over Ace Jack. HE called 1.20 with Ace Jack. If I had Ace King or Aces or Ace Queen he would have lost regardless of the ace on the flop.

Makes me so mad.

#1 - short stack is always dangerous. The shorter the stack the wider the range will be. AJ is an AWESOME hand if you're short enough.
#2 - Why did you just ignore the A on the flop? Did you really think your KK was best? Hoping he shoved with a Q?
#3 - "If I had Ace King or Aces or Ace Queen he would have lost regardless of the ace on the flop." Well that had nothing to do with this hand, did it? You can say something like this about every hand. Today I had a guy w AJ river a straight on my trip fours to bubble me out - damn if there had been another 4 on the board he would have lost regardless. If bullfrogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass when they jump.
#4 - The flop changed everything and you blew it off.

 

[Pascal-lf]

You're calling $1 with like $3.7 in the middle, you just can't fold.

 

[TheGenera1]

Exactly what Pascal said. If he missed his flop or he had queens or jacks and was trying to bluff the Ace then I'd still have the best hand. I had no fold equity. Or what ever it's called

 

[stuedoopoker]

Dude, you just dont understand.

there people cannot fold a big ace pre flop, or a flush draw post flop.

You have to adapt.

You know what another trait of a bad player is? Not being capable of folding big pps when its clear that you are beat! Now I know it was $1 into $4, but I get the impression if he had a pot bet left you were still calling.

YES THEY PLAY BAD: YOU MUST ADAPT

 

[TheGenera1]

I am a good player. If he had more than that particluar pot left in his stack I was certainly not calling.

 

[stuedoopoker]

I am a good player. If he had more than that particluar pot left in his stack I was certainly not calling.

Please try and look outside the box. We are trying to help you.

You say you are a good player, but cannot beat donkeys. Surely something doesnt add up.

Perhaps you have had some bad variance and are well -VE to where your roll should be.

Perhaps we could assess this if you tell us your network and username.

Or if you want to remain anonymous. how many hands you have played and how many bb/100 you are up or down.

but if you are down 5bb/100 over 50k hands at 10nl, something is wrong. Constantly telling us your a good player will not help.

 

[TheGenera1]

No offence but that stuff is irrelevant now. I took on board the advice offered to me. We are currently discussing the KK v AJ hand. But I think I'm about done with this topic anyway. Thanks all.

 

[Peteyweestro]

Just speaking on the KK vs AJ hand i myself would have folded the KK probably most of the time when the A hit, especially knowing how online people really value A rag, so at that time i would be thinking if it was worth trying to catch the 3rd K or just fold till i had a better hand outcome, so i fold.....

 

[TheGenera1]

Hmmm I find people in casinos like it more They watch too much of Sam Farha haha. If the guy had a bigger stack I would have folded the kings for sure but he didnt even have a post sized bet left so Imo i was worth calling.

 

[pricecube]

For me, patience is key and the ability to avoid going on tilt. Playing within your bankroll at least makes donk-related losses bearable. If you're losing 10% of your bankroll each time a donk besmirches the game, then you're on a hiding to nothing.

 

[TheGenera1]

I'm managing a lot better. I think the key phrase for me to remember is "small hand, small pot"

I dont get greedy.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Well, some pro poker players like to do that, being unreadable at a certain basis is basic for good strategies and can be taken as donky playing.

Pretty sure it's basically donkey playing at it's purest & most basic of basic forms.

Weekend play is particularly fishy. You'll see a huge number of plays that are completely insane to the point of making absolutely zero sense. Trying to make sense of the line some of them take is almost as insane as their play is.

Tournament donkey play can be a tad frustrating but on cash tables I think it can be alot of fun (for 'fun' if the table has a bunch of spewdonks on it I will make some 'seemingly' ridiculous plays... ie. overshoving preflop 100bb's deep with AA... it's rare that you won't get called). Some players simply CANNOT fold once they've put anything into the pot.

gl & be sure to have 'FUN' crushing the donkeys!

 

[Poker Orifice]

I have read the posts and find one thing lacking. One of the most important tools against donk is to be much more paticent than you would normally. Playing at most one in 18-20 hands.

What? really?? Personally I like to play alot of hands vs. them (as many as poss.).