Any tips on limit ?

Does anyone have some tips on limit? I am playing at .05/.10...
I can't seam to hit a flush, and or a str8, and any semi bluff i try i seam's to be call by a pair....
I have most of the ones, what hands there playing, but the fish won't fold, so can you help me out???
I was playing in .02/.04 but i would lose it quick, thought i would take a step up, i need to know what i can to take care of the fish..
I can't seam to hit a flush in 1,000 hands........
So i am asking for help....

I would say, limit is not about "making the other one fold"... You actually always get good odds to call a lot of hands..

imo, theres almost NO fold-equity in FL Play NL if you want to make "the fish" fold his hand!

I find fl frustrating as well if you have the top hand you cant bet big to make them fold so I most always play nl as well you might try to find a poker book on it, sorry not much help.

Ahhhh good old no fold em holdem, one thing I can say about any poker game is. Moving up before you can beat the limit you are playing is no way to go. Low limit games can be beaten with simple tight play and knowing pot odds. While it is true that it is impossible to get players to fold at low limits. This is the nature of limit structure, and all who play are bound by that. Probably the best book I can recommend would be "Small stakes Holdem" by miller skalansky Malmuth.

I played limit games for a while at 50c /$1 structure and did quite well for a little while. I think the biggest problem with that limit is that the rake is crippling and you have to be an expectional player to overcome that hurdle. The higher you go the lower the impact of the rake but the quality of play is better. so its a bit of a catch22. One other thing I will say about limit, is it's a lot safer option than NL. As the highs and lows are no where near as extreme. Gl do some study and you will get there.

Do you read the responses to your posts? As I said in your other thread (and damon has said it here), read SSHE.

First off, don't ask broad questions. They will get you nowhere and the best response is generally, "it depends." There is too much to LHE to explain in a post. Posting some hands and getting critiqued on your play would be a good starting point.

I'll just throw out a couple general rules of thumb to get you started:

-Learn starting hand properties. Some hands play better multi way, and some are better with fewer people. Getting a starting hand chart is a good starting point.
-Postflop aggression is the name of the game. Value bet, value bet, value bet and value bet when you are likely to have the best hand (i.e. you should rarely be checking the river when a draw that you don't have comes in)
-Don't bother bluffing/semi bluffing until you get to at least .50/1. Furthermore, you need to be able to hand read and board read quite well to pull these moves off, something you are unlikely to have when starting out. If you attempt a semi-bluff against a "fish", you are actually getting outplayed by the fish.

Only 1 tip for you...

DON'T PLAY IT

Read up ... as suggested earlier.

Don't let anyone discourage you, if that's what you enjoy or are comfortable playing. I started playing live in '69, limit only. NL wasn't even an option in most rooms then.

I still prefer limit games, live AND online.

I'm not trying to discourage the lad, it's just that I've never known any1 that has really liked limit poker b4. I know a LOT of poker players, online & live & they all have said the same thing about limit poker...it's no good & not worth playing.

I won't get into specifics but I know some1 who played limit since he got out of the Navy when he was 24 & over the years has lost so much $$$, it's unreal. He has blamed it on the fact that it's 'limit' & that you can't get your $$$ in w/ the best of it, especially when some1 will chase everything knowing they don't have to risk their whole stack. I told him a couple of years ago to try NL & what do you know, in less than 2 years, he is ahead by thousands of dollars +.

Do what you want & play what makes you feel comfortable but that is just my HO on the whole limit thing.

There's a lot less "feel" and much more math involved in limit.

If someone is blaming their losses on getting sucked out on too much, they don't understand limit very well. It means they are most likely overvaluing / not protecting their top pair type of hands. Yes, you do get sucked out on much more in FL than in NL. However, it's still those that keep calling when they don't have odds to call that will donate money to you in the long run.

That being said, most FL players nowadays agree that the fish population has dried up considerably and this is a very valid reason to stick to NL. However, FL is still very beatable as long as you understand how to play it.

U don't need all that crap for help, u have to be agressive all the way to the river in limit. if ur going to play a hand raise and don't stop raising.

Worst piece of advise in this thread.

IMO limit games are intended to keep the stakes down, and peeps will chase any draw and sometimes any 2 high cards.
I play 5/10 stud and stud H/L. I find peeps calling my 2 pair showing all the way up to and including 7th street even though they didn't hit their str8 or flush. They'll pay the other .10 to see what you actually had.
Lots of times I wont bet and let the other do the betting till Im sure I got it. That keeps the loses down when I do lose to the chaser.
At the same time it's cheeper for you to chase to. But I dont recomend it when it's expensive. You got 2 peeps betting and raiseing is not the time to chase.
Just my tid bit of limited knowledge

Haha, the funny thing is that I've actually seen this work at a table full of bad TAGs so if you table select really really really hard (and looking for people who fold too much, not call too much), you may be profitable for about... 3 hours?

But in all seriousness, anyone who is capable of making adjustments will easily exploit you.

This is not a good way to play FL. In general, poker rewards aggression. You need to make anyone chasing, pay to chase. Giving up free cards when ahead is as good as burning money. Being tight passive will probably make you a marginally winning player in the nanos but nanos can be crushed and it won't work at higher limits.

Granted I don't play stud so I don't know the exact dynamics but in FLHE, if you have an equity advantage in the hand compared to how much you expect to get called for, you bet.

Its the same in the stud games...

yeah i did. I just have to find the book...

I am comfortable playing at .05/.10 with out a problem, and find out i stay almost even... the only thing that has put a small hole in my BR was C betting with pocket Aces, and kings, well looking at a str8 draw, and flush draw. <<<< i had that problem in NL to, till i trap'ed the ones who were calling my raises..

Thought when i do raise, hit big time i still have them calling, i have also found out using traps helps to.

I think for now i will read up on CC for limit....

Ok, so you all know i did some reading in Strategy, Articles, and it helped a lot, i even came out with just about 3.00 bucks, all in all i would say that was a great out come.....
I will stat this, i had ones loaded with up to 13.00 bucks at the table, and pulled off a great out come....

Sounds like you're playing too many hands and chasing too much. If you don't have 4 to a straight or flush on the flop, check it. A fish is usually good for a check. If you don't hit it on the turn, a bet might bluff him, but probably not the ones you describe. Let it go and find another better hand to get your money in.

That only killed me.....

Yeah i had to cut back on the hands i was playing, i only called a raise with great hands... Thought even c-betting helped out, and not giving them that free card.
I did do a bit of a bluff...
I had to pick my spots, and i even did some great folds.....
When all else fails re read up on it.
I also showed some of my hands, i think that helped..

Bobby 'he-won-all-the-money-again' Baldwin wrote the section in Super System on limit hold'em. Maybe give that a read.

O I remember you!!

We've played together frequently.

Well maybe it was just someone who looks a lot like you.. I dunno.

Thanks though.

Thanks... It's just taking some time to add most of what i have learned to my game.

This is money Preflop, you should rarely be cold calling a raise, and I mean like once a session rarely. You need a hand good enough to raise if you want to enter a raised pot (some exceptions apply where numerous people have already cold called and you have hand that plays well in multi way pots) Oh, and value betting is also good

These are all generally a bad idea at the lower stakes.

Too many people call at lower stakes for bluffs to be profitable. Unless you have a really good read that someone folds too much, there is a good chance that you are just folding out a worse hand. You won't go much wrong by never bluffing in nanos.

Your folds may have been correct, but it is generally a bad idea to make the "expert fold" in large pots (expert folds generally imply you had a pretty good hand meaning the pot was fairly large) because of incredible pot odds. Let's say that the pot size is 10BB on the river and you are fairly certain you are beat. It only takes being right 1 in 11 times to break even. That means if you make an "expert fold" 10 times for every time you incorrectly make a fold, you are losing money.

Now if you made "expert folds" with middle pair and no draws on the turn, then sure, good fold.

I agree... This is the most terrible advice i've ever seen....

This individual obviously just needed to jab in a post....

N-E wayz.... Limit poker is a really long road , espically for tournament style play.

But you are asking about general play asistance for Limit Holdem?

... Moving up limits when having a bad streak is never a good idea..it will only cost you more during your bad run.
Limit holdem is a calling game... and i think is best played by the " Calling station" type player... Making consistant raises and betting every round does not always guarantee that your opponent will fold!.. Limit holdem is all about having "The Nuts" and betting accordingly...

If you did'nt hit the board hard....don't bet...
If you hit the Board Hard.....Check/Raise...

Limit is is also great for trapping type players... The more you can suckout of your opponent the better... But the trick to limit is to suck out your opponent with the the nuts...

Limit is all about knowing your odds when the bets fall often...
Limit takes Alot of patience and variance....

I hope this general information helps your game.... (this is also my general opinion)
Good luck on the felt

+1

With all due respect, this is terrible advice. When you bet, you are value betting, not betting for the purposes of getting your opponent to fold. Therefore whenever you have the best hand, you bet or raise. If you don't you check or fold (depending on whether or not you have odds to call). Limit is all about making marginal value bets. You don't need the nuts to bet.

Watch play at the higher tables. You'll notice that everyone is aggressive postflop. (Disclaimer: Don't try this style of play at lower limits. There is so much more going on than the average person realizes.

Limit is all about people who value bet. Trapping is generally not the way to go. The trick to limit is to call when you have odds to call drawing with the nuts.

+1

With all due respect.....I don't think my advice is "terrible"......

Now...
I agree that i am not a professional....
I agree that i might not be totally right...... But it makes me money playing according to my advice....

as always my advice is only my opinion...and opinions vary, But to say that my advice is terrible is just plain rude "with all due respect" there are much better ways to correct someone who is atleast trying to help others...

But thanks for your opinion....

1. don't open limp
2. don't cold call (3bet or fold)
3. understand raising in position in HU pots (on a draw, usually) to buy a free card (usually a semi-bluff)
4. understand raising in position in multi-way pots on a draw because you have equity
5. buy Ed Miller's book.

This is out of order but I'll put this first because it's most important. I apologize for the word choice if it offended you. I do admit that my posts come out rash and arrogant. Just for reference...

... which is kind of why I used that word to begin with...

Now to more interesting stuff:

Limit is all about betting when you are ahead (value betting). You want to maximize pots and not give up free cards when you are ahead. Playing passive when you have the best hand but not a monster is a "subpar" way of playing hands.

There is a limited amount of money you can make per hand, so you need to maximize the amount you make on hands you win, and minimize the amount you make when you are not.

If you think I'm wrong, let me know where I go wrong here. You may be able to win at the nanos for a small amount but I doubt you could win over the long run at anything higher.

http://www.cardschat.com/poker/guide/starting-hands
The hands i play with, un less i am in the BB and get a free view of the flop.
http://www.cardschat.com/limit-headsup-overcards.php
http://www.cardschat.com/limit-headsup-high-pairs.php
http://www.cardschat.com/limit-headsup-draws.php
http://www.cardschat.com/limit-headsup-misses.php
The misses.... I had a week of being on tilt.
I bet the flop as long as i hit, if i miss i just check it. I do set traps from time to time, as long as i don't see any draws on the board.

What i find most odd is that they are some what tighter in .05/.10, then they were in .02/.04.

Did 1 to many times, hard lesson learned..
2 i have been folding to raises with crap, even in the BB, and SB
3, 4 i have been doing it a lot more, even better well in position.
And yes i highly need to get some books.
Thanks

Bet with best, Good Draw to Invest, Fold all the Rest

Agreed

Pick up a copy of Winning Low Limit HOLD'EM by Lee Jones. I helped my game.

Ive been playing limit pretty regualarly and it is very hard to get people to fold. you always have odds to call a hand, and even big starting cards can hurt you. When you see a table where everyone is calling and very loose, you might wanna step away.

Failure to understand the concept of equity:

Equity

Equity can be explained as your share of the pot. Every hand you are dealt has a certain chance to win before all the cards are out; even if someone has pocket aces on the same deal, your 72o still has a small chance to be the winner. This percentage is called your equity - the amount of the pot that you in some mathematical sense "own." This equity will change as cards are being dealt, of course - if you have 72o vs. AA preflop, but you flop two pair, your equity has shot through the roof - you may now suddenly be a favorite to win, whereas before the flop, you were a big dog! With a large equity, you figure to win more than your share of the money that's bet, so raising is a good idea.

Let's look at those pocket aces a little more closely. Every starting hands chart recommends you to raise with them, so let's examine why: If you have pocket aces and you're up against 9 other players (whose hands you have no information on yet, let's say that you're UTG), your average equity will be 33%. This is how well aces fair against 9 other hands that call all the way to the river; ~30% of the times, the aces win. A bit of a bummer, perhaps, that your aces won't even win a majority of the time, but at least you have a better chance of winning than anyone else at the table. But also keep in mind that it's highly unlikely that everyone else will call all the way to the river, so perhaps your winning chances are a bit better than 30%.
But what if everyone calls anyway? Then you're surely in trouble - 7 times out of 10, you won't win the hand.

So?
Look here: 3 times out of 10, you will win 20 bets (the big blind + your raise), and 7 times out of 10, you will lose 2 bets (your raise). A win of 60 bets, and a loss of 14. That's a net win of 46 bets! That's HUGE! It's true that you won't win more than half the time, but that's okay because you're paying considerably less than half of the money going into the pot. This is why we raise with AA: It has a huge equity preflop, and anyone who calls you is paying you more than they're winning. AA is so likely to win the pot in the end, that you can safely raise now and expect to show a profit in the long run. The same, of course, holds true with KK and QQ.
But what about AK? This so called "drawing hand." It's true that it's considerably weaker than AA, but it's far from helpless. And even against a large field of opponents, AK will still win more than its fair share of the pots. You flop a pair on average once every three times with AK, but for the same reason that AA is okay even if it only wins 30% of the pots, AK is okay even if it only gets help once every three times. It will simply win more than its share of pots, even against many opponents. Especially when suited.

The lesson here is that with hands that have strong equity, you should raise preflop. How strong a hand's equity is depends on what it's up against, of course, and you can never be quite certain of that. In one specific case it doesn't matter: If you have AA, you can always raise safely. KK, on the other hand, is in big trouble if it finds itself up against pocket aces, but the risk of that happening is so small that as a general rule of thumb, you should always raise with KK preflop, as well. However, with hands such as 55, do they really have a big equity vs. 4 other opponents preflop? Hardly. In fact, they are probably pretty far behind. But they can still be played profitably, and for the same reason that suited connectors can.

Pretty much what AG said. Limit is not about winning pots. It's about maximizing the amount you win in hands you're ahead and minimizing the amount you lose when you are behind over the long run.