I realize that I have KK but I want to push away drawing hands. I don't want somebody with J10 suited to draw out a flush or a straight. Worse yet, I want to push away the AK suited that flops an A.
In this scenario, with 2 others playing, I want to assert the strength of my hand. I prefer with high pocket hole cards to play 1v1. So you are saying I already asserted my hands strength with the 3x BB raise and I should just call here? Especially considering I would already be 1v1?
Probably a more classic line of play would go something like this...
"I get KK dealt to me pre-flop in a late position (on the button). At a 10 person table there are 2 calls before me and I raise FIVEx the big blind (especially if I have a concern about a drawing hand beating me). One person FOLDS, the second person re-raises 2x my initial bet. My gut reaction is this guy might be serious but at the same time he could have QQ, or AK, as well as aces. I come over the top and double his bet. He shoves all in (oh crap, he probably has aces, BUT...) and I call and we are right back where we would have been."
OR:
I flat his raise to go to the flop and if there is no ace figure I am in great shape. But his betting after the flop may lead me to believe he has trips and I might be able to escape.
BUT,
No idea - I have no information on this player to help me make an informed decision so I am going to count on my KK to be good. The chances of someone else holding AA while I have KK is usually less than 1% - very hard to escape that 1%. I have to ride these Cowboys, take my beating and come back to do it all over again.
At a certain level vs certain opponents, constantly and instantly.PO: How many times have you folded KK in an online tournament w/100 bbs or less?
You come in with a raise, someone re-raises u. You put that player on KK+; u fold.Expand^^?
You come in with a raise, someone re-raises u. You put that player on KK+; u fold.
You come in with a raise, someone re-raises u. You put that player on KK+; u fold.
You come in with a raise, someone re-raises u. You put that player on KK+; u fold.
Yup. *ESPECIALLY* in a freeroll or low buyin large field MTT. :marchmell:
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To the OP, if you're still here and reading this, I just want to clear one thing up that I think you are misunderstanding: you aren't raising to 5xBB+ because you have KK, you are raising to 5xBB+ because you have two open limpers ahead of you. If you raise on 3xBB with two limpers ahead, you give them good odds to call and outdraw you.
Oh yes they do, I do, but not in the 3$ MTT's you usually play.Lol no one 3bets only KK+ anymore.
Oh yes they do, I do, but not in the 3$ MTT's you usually play.
Cause MTT's r way different to STT's, and the 3$ donkaments is not where you find the really nitty regs.
hehe i play $3 mtts? did not realise my bad!
I played a ton of hands at 10nl and 25nl on iPoker last year and even the nittiest regs 3bet AK and QQ. If you're gonna try and say that regs at higher than 25nl equiv. SNGs only 3bet KK+ then I'm gonna start grinding them cos they must be ridic soft! then again if you play and fold aces pre why I am not grinding them?
I think it was Negreanu who told the story of the one and only time he ever folded KK. Basically went KK raise, XX reraise, KK reraise, XX reraise, KK fold. XX flips handover to show QQ.I was essentially looking for the magical way to read an AA but this thread has since become a very valuable lesson in over-all strategy.
gefishy
Who said anything about ring games? For ring games I think the 10nl are probably the nittiest ones.
Interesting fact.
In all the WSOP ME's there have been 2 final hands involving AA vs (less than AA) and in both those cases AA lost. If we dissect this a little, we come to a few conclusions. First there have not been 217 Final hands of the MSOP ME. Not gonna go look but 40ish is about right. On average we get AA every 217 hands.
So proportionally, AA is involved too often in final hands. We may never seen another AA involved in a final hand of the WSOP ME.
Moral of this interesting fact is that if you have AA in the final hand of the MSOP, fold preflop...........epsi:
your logic is wrong there, DUCY