n3rv
Visionary
Silver Level
Hi guys,
Please bear with me here as I am still a bit new to the game, but I hope this thread can benefit more players than just myself. I noticed a similar thread on collusion in freerolls, but this situation is slightly different.
I was playing a micro-stakes SNG on a site I made freeroll money off and was in the lead with 9,000 chips.
There were three other players remaining at the table, two of which were Greeks who briefly talked in Greek in the chatbox at the start of the game. Player0, Greek1, and Greek2 all had around 2,000 chips.
Everyone remaining was playing pretty tight as only the top 3 got any money and everyone's raises were being given a lot of respect, including my own - I knew something was up so just wanted to play as tight as possible to understand what was going on exactly.
Then in the next 3 hands this happens (apologies for my quick photoshop edit ):
Hand 1:
Why would Greek2 check top pair with an Ace kicker all the way till the end against Greek1? I suppose it could be argued the Q is a scare card, the diamond is a scare card, and he just played it badly, but okay then we'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now as just another bad and passive player.
Hand 2:
Hmm, bad passive player Greek2 tries to steal the pot as he notices everyone is playing tight, runs into trouble. Maybe he was just a bad player in general, not so passive after all.
Hand 3:
Greek2 gets called with 2/3s of his stack in the pot because of his blind by Greek1. Naturally Greek2 raises the rest of his small remaining stack, and Greek1 should call - no wait, folds... hmm, yes, I guess the extra 1/3 of Greek2's impressive stack was just too much for Greek1 to call there, makes real sense...
This collusion was so blatantly obvious to me playing with these guys for hours, but obviously the example I have given you alone wouldn't be enough to report collusion;
1. It is micro-stakes and they could just be any two bad Greek players that have played against each-other before who happen to chat to each-other.
2. I don't care enough to report it as I only use this website for freerolls and microstakes and haven't deposited/withdrawn yet.
3. I think it could be easily played against. For example, hand 3 I was very tempted to raise Greek2 all-in because J9 is a decent hand against any 2 cards and Player0/Greek1 were both playing tight and respecting my raises with my chip stack etc.
But I was just interested to see it play out and I didn't want to end up losing because of the collusion. In the end I only came second anyway, but I had it all-in twice with the best cards - no complaints there, just got unlucky.
The problem is I lost to Greek1, who was in a similar position to Greek2 earlier in the game, and was helped out by Greek2 similarly to this as well (it's just over a longer hand time with more players and I don't want to bore you or myself any longer with the details).
Nevertheless, reading this thread, did you consider this collusion based on the small evidence I have presented here or are you still sceptical if it is or not?
Secondly, assuming it is collusion, would you report it and if so how/why?
Finally, have you played against collusion before and do you know any good tips to combat it whilst in a game?
Sorry for the long post, but thanks in advance for any help guys.
Please bear with me here as I am still a bit new to the game, but I hope this thread can benefit more players than just myself. I noticed a similar thread on collusion in freerolls, but this situation is slightly different.
I was playing a micro-stakes SNG on a site I made freeroll money off and was in the lead with 9,000 chips.
There were three other players remaining at the table, two of which were Greeks who briefly talked in Greek in the chatbox at the start of the game. Player0, Greek1, and Greek2 all had around 2,000 chips.
Everyone remaining was playing pretty tight as only the top 3 got any money and everyone's raises were being given a lot of respect, including my own - I knew something was up so just wanted to play as tight as possible to understand what was going on exactly.
Then in the next 3 hands this happens (apologies for my quick photoshop edit ):
Hand 1:
Why would Greek2 check top pair with an Ace kicker all the way till the end against Greek1? I suppose it could be argued the Q is a scare card, the diamond is a scare card, and he just played it badly, but okay then we'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now as just another bad and passive player.
Hand 2:
Hmm, bad passive player Greek2 tries to steal the pot as he notices everyone is playing tight, runs into trouble. Maybe he was just a bad player in general, not so passive after all.
Hand 3:
Greek2 gets called with 2/3s of his stack in the pot because of his blind by Greek1. Naturally Greek2 raises the rest of his small remaining stack, and Greek1 should call - no wait, folds... hmm, yes, I guess the extra 1/3 of Greek2's impressive stack was just too much for Greek1 to call there, makes real sense...
This collusion was so blatantly obvious to me playing with these guys for hours, but obviously the example I have given you alone wouldn't be enough to report collusion;
1. It is micro-stakes and they could just be any two bad Greek players that have played against each-other before who happen to chat to each-other.
2. I don't care enough to report it as I only use this website for freerolls and microstakes and haven't deposited/withdrawn yet.
3. I think it could be easily played against. For example, hand 3 I was very tempted to raise Greek2 all-in because J9 is a decent hand against any 2 cards and Player0/Greek1 were both playing tight and respecting my raises with my chip stack etc.
But I was just interested to see it play out and I didn't want to end up losing because of the collusion. In the end I only came second anyway, but I had it all-in twice with the best cards - no complaints there, just got unlucky.
The problem is I lost to Greek1, who was in a similar position to Greek2 earlier in the game, and was helped out by Greek2 similarly to this as well (it's just over a longer hand time with more players and I don't want to bore you or myself any longer with the details).
Nevertheless, reading this thread, did you consider this collusion based on the small evidence I have presented here or are you still sceptical if it is or not?
Secondly, assuming it is collusion, would you report it and if so how/why?
Finally, have you played against collusion before and do you know any good tips to combat it whilst in a game?
Sorry for the long post, but thanks in advance for any help guys.