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dmorris68
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I'm speechless at the direction this thread has taken. I honestly thought kid had to be a level, or some kind of practical joke. Consider my mind boggled. Never heard of Barry Greenstein but considers himself a serious poker player?
Kid, since you seem to be so down on Durrr and a big fan of Doyle, I wonder what you think about Doyle's opinion of Durrr? I've seen and read Doyle speak highly of Durrr's game on numerous occasions.
Durrr has been nominated for the HOF this year, and Doyle is a voting member. Of course Durrr won't make it this year -- he hasn't paid his dues yet and he's up against a bunch who have (including Barry Greenstein). But Doyle writes in his blog:
As for Durrr, I've never quite "liked" him myself. I can't put my finger on it: his voice, his effeminate mannerisms, his wild googly eyes, I don't know. He just seems creepy somehow. But regardless, the boy knows how to play some poker. His reads are scary, the way he can push people off a better hand, and the way he knows just when to give up at the right moment. He's recklessly aggressive, sure, but so are Gus and Ivey and a lot of other successful players.
And mentioning drugs brings up a good point. I'm finishing up Mike Matusow's biography ("Checkraising the Devil"), and he discusses the very same topic about how drugs initially picked up his game by giving him energy and focus, but then eventually nearly ruined his life, not to mention his game. As weird as Durrr comes across sometimes, I would not at all be surprised if he has a little "artificial stimulation" going on.
Kid, since you seem to be so down on Durrr and a big fan of Doyle, I wonder what you think about Doyle's opinion of Durrr? I've seen and read Doyle speak highly of Durrr's game on numerous occasions.
Durrr has been nominated for the HOF this year, and Doyle is a voting member. Of course Durrr won't make it this year -- he hasn't paid his dues yet and he's up against a bunch who have (including Barry Greenstein). But Doyle writes in his blog:
Doyle Brunson said:
As for Durrr, I've never quite "liked" him myself. I can't put my finger on it: his voice, his effeminate mannerisms, his wild googly eyes, I don't know. He just seems creepy somehow. But regardless, the boy knows how to play some poker. His reads are scary, the way he can push people off a better hand, and the way he knows just when to give up at the right moment. He's recklessly aggressive, sure, but so are Gus and Ivey and a lot of other successful players.
And mentioning drugs brings up a good point. I'm finishing up Mike Matusow's biography ("Checkraising the Devil"), and he discusses the very same topic about how drugs initially picked up his game by giving him energy and focus, but then eventually nearly ruined his life, not to mention his game. As weird as Durrr comes across sometimes, I would not at all be surprised if he has a little "artificial stimulation" going on.
S93
Legend
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Afaik drugs can make u stay up for along time and help u concentrait but i dont think there is a drug that makes u good at math, makes u own villains at metagame and makes u assaign ranges and balance your own to perfection :S.
dmorris68
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Drugs don't make you good at math, but under the right circumstances they can sharpen your mind (short term) and allow you to make the calculations with less effort. Of course the long term effects are devastating, just ask The Mouth. He was self-medicating due to an undiagnosed bipolar condition, and the initial side-effect was that his game skyrocketed. Until he became used to them and addicted, then the opposite happened. To add to his bipolar disorder he had since birth, he now has ADHD brought about by brain damage from his drug use. He now takes a cocktail of prescription drugs to treat both. All of which goes a long way towards explaining the famous "Matusow Meltdowns."
I've always liked Mikey as a player but having only seen his recent game I didn't think he was a top-echelon player. However in his early days he was a shark. Phil Helmuth said in the foreward of his book that Mikey was one of the best, if not THE best, PLO8 player alive today. He's made an awful lot of wsop final tables and won 3 bracelets, but he said the drugs largely damaged his reading skills and short-term memory -- imagine what he might be doing today had he not gone down that road, and sought proper treatment for his bipolar disorder early on.
Debi
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+1 - Amen
Makwa
Undesirable Predator
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Yes there are drugs that help concentration (and math skills), particularly some for ADHD, which Matusow used, and yes the increased concentration helps assign reads and ranges etc.
Durr already has these skills and more in spades; some meds would increase them definitely, short term.
I am no expert on the meds in question, apparently there is a lot about them in Mike's book...
Not accusing Tom of taking anything but not discounting it either, in a free discussion that should encourage all possibilities re the OPs question. I pointed to a couple of things, that in my experience, might suggest that something stronger than caffeine may be involved. Doesn't mean it is so.
Lots o heat by the fire...
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kidkvno1
Sarah's Pet
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I am post this, and thats all.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/37/televised-poker/tom-durr-dwan-best-worst-548907/
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/37/televised-poker/tom-durr-dwan-best-worst-548907/
GeoffLacey
Visionary
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Lol you just picked a random 2p2 thread about durrrr ffs. Watch this season HSP, the change of atmosphere that occured when he came in for his second session was mind blowing. Watch his hu game against PA from the aussie millions. He played ridiculously well. He lost like 600k. Try and get your head around that.
Omg why can I not stop posting in this thread?
Monoxide
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
rofl.... how hard is it to understand that the best cash players are the best cash players because they make the most cash? I tried to simplify it for you so you could understand. Sure they could go busto, but most likely wont, because they make the most money.
PC69
Legend
Silver Level
OMG I WISH U WOULD. been reading this thread for days now and u just keep attacking kidkvno. So hes got a opinion that differs from yours.. Others disagreed with him without throwing insults.. Who made u the know all to end all? Why dont u just state your opinion and leave it alone.. Frankly because you call someone a idiot does not make me or neone else agree with u.. WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT
Btw. Dont necessarily with Kidkvnos logic but ppl calling ppl names over something that really does not impact our lives is unnecessary .
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LizzyJ
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Silver Level
The high stakes bunch were at the 200/400 plo tables this morning. I opened up a few of them and replayed them during my break. Durrrr bought in for $30k, lost it and left. no re-buy. Guess he had to catch a plane or something.
It was really interesting seeing how these guys play at these limits. Look like a game of chicken more than anything else. Raise, re-raise, flop, shove it in, pray, suckout, reload. Repeat cycle.
It was really interesting seeing how these guys play at these limits. Look like a game of chicken more than anything else. Raise, re-raise, flop, shove it in, pray, suckout, reload. Repeat cycle.
vanquish
Legend
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i'm sure that's what it looks like to virgin eyes
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cAPSLOCK
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He has a point though. These guys are not playing the same game most of us are. Because if they were (and we are still assuming they are good at the game) then they are going to trade blinds more than anything else.
When everyone sitting at the table is world class then they have to play so far ahead of the actual cards coming down that it looks like folly to someone who plays at softer tables.
Then, in the end the players with the better edge (or is it luck... that's another thread isn't it?) are the ones who come out ahead.
Then there are the whales...
Dwan has benefited from the skill, the luck, and the whales.
I would never ague that some of what has happened to him is luck... but then... that's a pretty good way to part way describe well played poker.
JOEBOB69
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
So durrr is a coked up bipolar poker genius.Who will loose to kid but winns everyone elses money(sometimes if he is not broke).An van wants to play federer because he's a tourney player an has a real weak back hand.Umm ok.
StormRaven
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Sigh, I'm back in here again...
Okay, okay, I bite...What makes you think that out of all the challenges Durrr gets that he is going to accept yours? Especially at 2nl???
Why on earth would he be a joker if he turns you down? What could this possible prove? I really just don't get this...
Mase31683
Legend
Silver Level
Lol @ best cliff notes ever
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
I've been away from this thread for 24hrs. but see now that Durrr is a druggy.. .LOL (Sorry Mr. Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr, ha ha ha).
Maybe.... maybe... just maybe... Maybe Durrr is an alien life-form, brought down to the planet from the heavens above to reek vengence upon all the poker players... breaking them with junk hands that leave them reeling, resulting in them leaping from tall buildings. I mean he does look a little bit like something you might see in a Star Trek movie (Spock comes to mind.... analytical without emotion).
THAT'S IT. DURRR IS AN ALIEN!!!!!!!! It is fact.
(I won't say what I think kidkov is)
Maybe.... maybe... just maybe... Maybe Durrr is an alien life-form, brought down to the planet from the heavens above to reek vengence upon all the poker players... breaking them with junk hands that leave them reeling, resulting in them leaping from tall buildings. I mean he does look a little bit like something you might see in a Star Trek movie (Spock comes to mind.... analytical without emotion).
THAT'S IT. DURRR IS AN ALIEN!!!!!!!! It is fact.
(I won't say what I think kidkov is)
Emperor IX
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
Oh god, Durrrr is a scientologist too???
Poker Orifice
FoolsTilt
Platinum Level
I am challenging Anderson Silva to a 5-round fight in the Octagon!! He wood b a fooz ifs he saz nose too mees AND I no I can beat him easy. I won a fight at my neighberhud skool playgrownd once... cuz I cud spot the guys weekness (just hit him when hees not looking). Oh yah, I forgot to add that I was in highskool then and they were in Grade6 but they were big for their age and I think they like failed a couple timez.
Ive seen Anderson's weekness....... he moves his head around too much and I KNOW if I just swing wildly I will hit him for sure (i hit johnny when his head was moving... but then again he was looking the other direction but I dont' think that has anything to do with it!!).
No respect for any of the 'pros' except for Doyle.. ha ha ha. You don't know any of the pros.. obviously,.. you hadn't even heard of Greenstein.
Kid.. honestly I don't know how you could even still want to be in this forum? (or why you'd even need to be??... you're obviously light years beyond the abilities of any of the rest of us here. I mean, you're crushing 2NL right?... and I believe I read in one of your posts that you're rolled now to play some of the CC buyins. I think there's an FTOPS series going on, surely Doyle would roll you for all of it... as it's obviously a great investment!)
Ive seen Anderson's weekness....... he moves his head around too much and I KNOW if I just swing wildly I will hit him for sure (i hit johnny when his head was moving... but then again he was looking the other direction but I dont' think that has anything to do with it!!).
No respect for any of the 'pros' except for Doyle.. ha ha ha. You don't know any of the pros.. obviously,.. you hadn't even heard of Greenstein.
Kid.. honestly I don't know how you could even still want to be in this forum? (or why you'd even need to be??... you're obviously light years beyond the abilities of any of the rest of us here. I mean, you're crushing 2NL right?... and I believe I read in one of your posts that you're rolled now to play some of the CC buyins. I think there's an FTOPS series going on, surely Doyle would roll you for all of it... as it's obviously a great investment!)
StormRaven
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LMFAO!!!
Best Response Ever!!! :adore: :adore: :adore: :congrats: :wink: :bootyshak
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nobby1510
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I guess you guys said it all already!
Fearless (cos of youth I guess)
loose aggessive
People now very wary of him
One lucky son of a gun
Innate ability to read people and the game.
Would he really care if he lost everything?? I think not - its the game that matters - with his attitude he would probably go out and make millions in another field!
Fearless (cos of youth I guess)
loose aggessive
People now very wary of him
One lucky son of a gun
Innate ability to read people and the game.
Would he really care if he lost everything?? I think not - its the game that matters - with his attitude he would probably go out and make millions in another field!