Is Poker a Game of Chance?

[playinggameswithu]

Cash game = skill MTT = real gambling. Depends on your strucuturing ultimately like if you grind MTT like markovitus on Stars you can decant luck though it is a stupid way of doing it. Cash game is played in 120k hand eras.

 

[GameTooHard]

some top players say that you need some luck to make the final table in a tourney even if its 99% skill..

Right but in a tournament you might play 750-7500 hands. That's still not close to the million I quoted to reduce the game down to skill.

You have a negative correlation between variance and # of hands played.

 

[Dmytro Lysyuk]

Hi! I think that poker 70% skills and 30% lucky.

 

[MrPokerVerse]

Less of a chance than any other casino game. At least with poker you playing against those at the table and not the house. Not sure how one can gauge skill to luck by a percentage?

 

[johnwat2]

Skill will always win out over luck in the long run. Not a game of chance. If it was pure chance, after thousands of hands, we would all be about even. Not the case is it?

 

[infonazar]

No doubt that 70-80% is a player's skills.
20-30% is a luck. But also, a very important role plays discipline.

 

[Chalada12]

Yes , but not always . Luck plays a major role in the game . But if you keep playing good , u won t face any problems against thoses kind of players.

 

[Tony Vayer]

Keep in mind that a bad player, luckily you have, always ends up losing. In the short term luck may have a determining role in our results, but in the long run, after thousands and thousands of hands, its importance diminishes until its influence is priceless.

I do not understand what you want to know in your thread "Is poker a game of chance?" Do you want to know about playing cards for money(a gambling game recognized all over the world) or about the prospect of poker hands? Stupid to create a topic with one question and then look for the answer to another question.

 

[cleder7]

I learned more from practice and I'm improving.

 

[bstest]

There certainly is skill involved in winning pots by forcing out better hands, building pots when you're the clear leader, and using position to better your overall chances. But overall, in my opinion, you really can't get anywhere without the cards and that is the huge luck component.

 

[UncleConRon]

My opinion

Your right in the short run anyone can win. That is probably to get some one rent and food for a year so they can get the dishwashing, roofing or other labor job. This keeps the poker world buzzing to stay on top. However, in the long run, it just resorts to betting good hole cards a third of time and dont play a hand if you just won. There is an angle you can mix the short run Religious Poker with the long run statistical poker. You can mix ten percent Religious Poker in statistical poker. A tithe unto GOD.

 

[Dmitriy_rus7]

surely. it's a gamble at all 200%

 

[Aca0012]

That's right! Poker is still a game where knowledge has a big factor and impact, but luck is certainly inevitable and should be at certain moments of some important tournament or hand. Let's say that 70% is knowledge and 30% luck. It should be noted that experience is also important. The more hands we play, we'll be better. And learning from the mistakes is very important.

 

[Aknight3]

Id say its bbot luck and skill..but in the end u need cards to win so luck does help alot...although at higher stakes you can win quite alot just by bluffing

 

[This Fish Chums]

Poker is just like every other game, skill altered by luck.

I don't think it's justifiable to call poker "a game of chance" or "a game of luck". Flipping a coin is a game of chance. A slot machine is a game of luck. Games where you are purely risking money with no skill involved are games of chance/luck. And this be proven.
Luck would be playing any two hole cards until the end of every hand without ever folding. In that specific playing style, you are relying on luck or chance to win. It would be mandatory you use this playing style because ANY decision making on your part would be a game of skill not luck. And even going all-in preflop is a decision. NOTE: For argument's sake I am ignoring the FACT that deciding to never fold is STILL making a decision.
Now, it is possible in a cash game that if you do this one time, triple your money and get out you can win. So a cash game has the potential to be a game of luck/chance IF you only play 1 or 2 hands like this.
However, it is literally impossible for you to win a tournament this way. At most you would make it through 1 or 2 orbits (remember, you can't go allin to scare people off the hand because then you are making a decision and not relying on luck).
So, no, poker is not a game of luck/chance it is a game of skill. Now, there is the fact that luck or chance has a play in whether or not a particular hand will win, and I'm not even going to use the cliche' "but over a thousands of hands . . ." My argument is this. ALL skill games are a game of skill effected by luck. A football (American) that is fumbled, falls directly back into the runner's hands, who then returns it for a touchdown is luck. In baseball, the BEST batting average of all time is Ty Cobb at 36.6% and last year the typical batting average was 24.8%. To me, that makes it a game of skill combined with luck. And finally, the stock market. All the skill in the world cannot guarantee a profit in the stock market, even when the stock market is on the rise, people still lose their shirts over bad decisions.
So if poker is a game of luck/chance then so is every sporting event and every business venture. If those are considered legal and if people are allowed to literally lose everything in pursuit of those activities then so should poker be considered a legal activity.

 

[leon4iggg]

yeah, i think it is, but ur skillis important too. U cant win a poker game if u ALL-IN without a card)

 

[SatisfyMe]

You need good luck with AA's and hope they don't get crack and you need good luck on a drawing hand and hope you hit it.

 

[najjah166]

I say yes preflop, but postflop, it is the competence prevails

 

[anasslaaleg]

Luck comes into play in some situation, but it's still a game where you need skills and experience to win.
Poker is still the only long-term winning game and luck just influence your short-term result if you have a strategy long-term winner you can get rid of luck.

 

[VITOS]

Many people associate poker with a typical gambling game, as cards are used here. Many watched films about poker, where people lost a lot of money and were left with nothing because of the bad alignment. When the word "poker" everyone has a picture of a casino where people spend their money, hope for good luck and often leave in a big minus. It is in the casino that poker is next to roulette and slot machines that are gambling
Many poker causes negative emotions, as they are afraid of"gaming addiction". There is an opinion that if a person starts playing, he can not stop until he gives his last money.
It is because of the presence of cards, gambling addiction and money bets that beginners refer poker to gambling. However, this is fundamentally wrong! Although in this game and there are cards, they are only 10% affect the result. The rest depends on the player's skill and poker strategy. There are many examples of professional players who have won, even though their cards. They "read" the opponents ' emotions and manner of play, made the right decision and were always in the black.
Real masters of poker are not afraid of game addiction. They are psychologically prepared for the game and can leave the game at any time. When losing, they do not seek to "recoup", but simply carefully analyze their mistakes.

 

[AMTTT]

Poker is actually a clever game, but where there is a bluff, where there is a passion, which is why poker can not be compared to chess

 

[Aestheticzz]

Poker is a game of skill mixed with elements of chance.

 

[Vorem]

Poker is a gamble and a lot depends on luck, especially in tournament poker. And there are a lot of bingo-players, ludomans who play poker like a roulette game - they go all-in on any two cards.

 

[cranberry]

I think poker is an intellectual game with signs of gamble. Because the actions and decisions of the player influence the outcome of the poker tournament. For example, if you give out the same cards to two players, they will play them in different ways - depending on their experience and skill.

 

[Dzob]

Have a look at the charts of the winning players. Most of them win regularly, often - thanks to which they have a regular profit in the long run. That's why poker is a game of skill.