****December Destruction Chat****

[Irexes]

The art of the value bet. See how I carefully crafted the bet size.

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HAND #1
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poker stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
MP1: $35.55 (35.6 bb)
MP2: $78.25 (78.3 bb)
Hero (MP3): $170.20 (170.2 bb)
CO: $100 (100 bb)
BTN: $98.50 (98.5 bb)
SB: $19 (19 bb)
BB: $96.50 (96.5 bb)
UTG+1: $22.60 (22.6 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with J

K

2 folds, MP2 calls $1, Hero calls $1, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks
Flop: ($4) A

T

2

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($4) 3

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets $1, Hero calls $1, SB folds, BB folds
River: ($6) Q

(2 players)
MP2 bets $6.25, Hero raises to $114, MP2 calls $70 and is all-in
Results: $158.50 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed J

K

(a straight, Ten to Ace) and won $155.50 ($77.25 net)
MP2 mucked A

6

(a pair of Aces) and lost (-$78.25 net)

 

[tenbob]

WOW, I really cannot belive how light ppl stack HU after you raise every hand.

pokerstars Game #22863122478: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/12/12 20:17:18 ET
Table 'Eucharis II' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tenbob ($66.70 in chips)
Seat 2: FiskusWilli ($50.80 in chips)
tenbob: posts small blind $0.25
FiskusWilli: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tenbob [7d Jd]
tenbob: raises $1 to $1.50
FiskusWilli: raises $2 to $3.50
tenbob: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Td Js 3s]
FiskusWilli: bets $7
tenbob: raises $56.20 to $63.20 and is all-in
FiskusWilli: calls $40.30 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($15.90) returned to tenbob
*** TURN *** [Td Js 3s] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [Td Js 3s 4h] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FiskusWilli: shows [3d As] (a pair of Threes)
tenbob: shows [7d Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
tenbob collected $101.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $101.60 | Rake $0.50
Board [Td Js 3s 4h 6d]
Seat 1: tenbob (button) (small blind) showed [7d Jd] and won ($101.10) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: FiskusWilli (big blind) showed [3d As] and lost with a pair of Threes

 

[Irexes]

4 hour session (without break ) 10-tabling 100nl, and weeeeeeee smashing result

I've had some serious revalations in the last week and this was the first session where it's really come together with some serious aggression versus the regs (I've had six sessions this week and won 5, with only a $100 loss in the other).

Tonight...



Last week



Any thought on these stats welcome (tiny sample tonight, but interested if anything sticks out.





And weeeeeeee for 2662 hands tonight. YSY!! Supernova here I come.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

The art of the value bet. See how I carefully crafted the bet size.

Subtle.

 

[eNTy]

Sweet stuff Irexes, well done !

 

[kleitches]

tb, your 3bet is waaaay too small (not that i suppose it would've changed anything, but still)

Is this a joke? How much is he supposed to 3-bet here?

 

[ChuckTs]

3bet is soooper high but not too high. There aren't many regs who know how to adjust to that so I guess you don't really need to keep that in check, but that's something I look for to 4bet bluff against.

Fold to 3bet is also pretty high. Good oop which I guess a lot of FR is, so meh Your vpip/pfr spread seems big, but it's not that bad.

You can open up even more on the btn. Like way more. Like %40-%50 ats. Nevermind, just saw your ats is up there, that's perfect imo.

200nl here you come?

 

[vanquish]

of course i deposit and play, and start with a 14 buy in downswing at 50nl

why am i dying to live if i'm just living to die

 

[ChuckTs]

Is this a joke? How much is he supposed to 3-bet here?

Nope, he's right. Liam didn't even pot it. Your raise size is a function of the pot size, the number of players in the pot, and your position. He's got the high/bad end of all 3 of those things, and as such should be raising it bigger. I'd bump to about $16, maybe more depending on how cally the players are.

 

[Irexes]

Cheers Chuck,

I don't know tbh. Considering my Irexes Principle and thinking of staying put for a while and really getting the hang of this new approach. From my 75k run at 200nl it just seemed much harder to beat. That said perhaps this is the approach.

Absolutely murdering regs with the 3 bets and finding different ways to play versus the maniacs and lags. When someone played back at me I adjusted and won some lovely pots as a result as they came over the top light. My action image was clearly doing me lots of favours though I hardly ever showed down garbage and bluffing wasn't really a big part of it.

I was suprised to see the VPIP PFR spread myself, maybe it'll get smaller over time. I've been playing 18/12 then 18/14 for a long while so it's quite a shift.

Feels good and very excited to see how things pan out over a decent sample (100k hands type thing).

 

[kleitches]

Nope, he's right. Liam didn't even pot it. Your raise size is a function of the pot size, the number of players in the pot, and your position. He's got the high/bad end of all 3 of those things, and as such should be raising it bigger. I'd bump to about $16, maybe more depending on how cally the players are.

I see, thanks for that tip, Chuck. How can you see that he didn't pot it from reading the hand history? So many numbers. I had to actually paste the hand into a hand replayer so that I could see he bet slightly less than pot.

 

[vanquish]

i think i'm a losing player. if i lose what i deposited i am quitting online poker for good.

 

[Debi]

i think i'm a losing player. if i lose what i deposited i am quitting online poker for good to become Dakota's coach.

fyp

 

[switch0723]

WOW, I really cannot belive how light ppl stack HU after you raise every hand.

PokerStars Game #22863122478: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/12/12 20:17:18 ET
Table 'Eucharis II' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tenbob ($66.70 in chips)
Seat 2: FiskusWilli ($50.80 in chips)
tenbob: posts small blind $0.25
FiskusWilli: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tenbob [7d Jd]
tenbob: raises $1 to $1.50
FiskusWilli: raises $2 to $3.50
tenbob: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Td Js 3s]
FiskusWilli: bets $7
tenbob: raises $56.20 to $63.20 and is all-in
FiskusWilli: calls $40.30 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($15.90) returned to tenbob
*** TURN *** [Td Js 3s] 4♥
*** RIVER *** [Td Js 3s 4h] 6♦
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FiskusWilli: shows [3d As] (a pair of Threes)
tenbob: shows [7d Jd] (a pair of Jacks)
tenbob collected $101.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $101.60 | Rake $0.50
Board [Td Js 3s 4h 6d]
Seat 1: tenbob (button) (small blind) showed [7d Jd] and won ($101.10) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 2: FiskusWilli (big blind) showed [3d As] and lost with a pair of Threes

so sick, i stacked off like 8 times today with top pair in a 3 bet pot, all of which with queen or better kicker and didnt win 1.

anyway i almost quit today after losing 12 buyins, half to runnig bad, 1/4 to coolers and 1/4 to playing bad, but then vanq schooled me in the arts of manning up and not feeling sorry for myself, and i crushed the session straight after, so things are slightly brighter

 

[vanquish]

i'll coach anyone who's interested. i've got experience at full ring from .25/.50 to 2/4. i've won at all of those limits, although i had a 30 buy in downswing at 2/4 from which i never really recovered. i'm sure my advice is worth something. i'd like to coach everyone for free, but money is really tight right now, so i'll have to charge something. price negotiable of course, shoot me a PM i suppose.

that is, of course, if u think i'd provide help. if u don't think i'll make u win more, u obv don't contact me.

 

[switch0723]

ill pay you hourly during our sweat sessions next week <3

 

[cAPSLOCK]

i think i'm a losing player. if i lose what i deposited i am quitting online poker for good.

Aww.. I love a good net-suicide.

It's all the drama without any of the actual sad part.

Let me know when you are back... I've never seen you play.

 

[icemonkey9]

Today the monkey found his fangs. GRRRRRRRRR!



Any number jump out at you?

 

[bw07507]

First hand of my session

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $117.60 (58.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $201.75 (100.9 bb)
MP: $208 (104 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)
BTN: $67.50 (33.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with K

K

UTG calls $2, 2 folds, BTN calls $2, SB folds, Hero raises to $14, UTG calls $12, BTN folds

Flop: ($31) 3

2

9

(2 players)
Hero bets $22, UTG calls $22

Turn: ($75) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $66, UTG calls $66

River: ($207) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $98 and is all-in, UTG calls $98

Results: $403 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed K

K

(two pairs, Kings and Threes) and won $400 ($200 net)
UTG mucked 8

8

(two pairs, Eights and Threes) and lost (-$200 net)

 

[zachvac]

whee 11.5k hands today, was behind 1500 at one point but ended up just under -1k. Kinda sucks but I'm getting the hands in and the bonuses are gonna make a difference. Plus I know I can't lose forever. Another ~600 below ev, but w/e bring the shit on. That's all you got?

 

[Tygran]

wooo! Here's today's session results, longest session in a real long time. You guys just don't know how good it felt to play a long session and be able to keep focus.

Life has been very difficult over the last 6 months or so and it just killed me at the tables. Was just utterly mentally and physically exhausted from everything. I think I can see light at the end of that tunnel.

 

[bw07507]

Umm, sickest session ever for me. 24-tabling 200NL is treating me goot

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Any number jump out at you?

glad to see you finally learnt how to profit without needing to hit sets...

 

[S93]

Havent been playing much latly but finaly started 3days ago and figured i play mostly ring,decited to start at 10NL 6max before moving up and im up 7BI .
Mostly because i flop the nuts every time in the BB vs a 60/20 calling stations
Stacks:
BB with $10.80
UTG with $7.20
Mimi3030 with $10.80
BTN with $11.40
SB with $8.90

Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to BB:9♥ 8♥
Sklansky group 4
Preflop:
2 players fold.
BTN calls [$0.10]
SB calls [$0.05] Hero: checks
Total folds this street: 2
Potsize: $0.3
Flop: 10♣ 7♦ 6♦
SB: checks Hero bets [$0.20] BTN calls [$0.20]
SB calls [$0.20]
Potsize: $0.9
Turn: A♥
SB: checks Hero bets [$0.80] BTN raises $0.80 to $1.60
1 players fold.
Hero raises $3.90 to $5.50 BTN calls [$3.90]
Total folds this street: 1
Potsize: $11.9
River: 8♠ Hero bets [$5] [ all-in ] BTN calls [$5]
Results:
Hero shows a straight, Six to Ten: 9♥ 8♥ BTN doesn't show. Hero collected $20.85 from pot

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[eNTy]

Did he have AT ?