No more freerolls!

Now what would you play?


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Matt_Burns88

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Seriously going to take my money out of pokerstars.
I dont get interest for it being in there like i do from my banking and savings accounts. They make alot money from our money through interest for it being left with them in their bank accounts.
I thought the freerolls were a sort of compensation for the wealth they gain from interest toward the money we store with them in their accounts.
They don't just make money from each game. That is just one of the ways and tends to be the main way of covering game expenses.
The interest they make on their accounts is all profit.
If i am not going to be rewarded for having some money in a different 'banking' account with them. Then i will keep this account with minimal value in it and input minimal only as and when i intend to play.
Might give it to 888.
Keeping my account less that $10. Though this will make me think a bit more before committing to a game.
This is generally a wise practice anyway, regardless of your feelings regarding Stars stopping freerolls. Keeping just enough funds in your accounts to play a couple of days and then keeping the rest in a savings account, where it is earning you money regardless of whether you play or not, win or lose.
 
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For ACR to make money from this format, more than 90% of the entries had to be reentries, and that was far from the case. Maybe 50% were reentries, which mean, that players only contributed $6.600 to a $12.000 price pool leaving ACR with a $5.400 deficit. Plus there was a price for knocking out the streamer. So as all other promotions this cost the site money, which they might or might not have made back by attracting more players to their other games. Most likely Twitch also paid part of the cost of this promotion in the hope of getting more people watching streams there.
Surely if a tournament beats its guaranteed, the site isn't losing money?

If the guarantee is $3,500 and re-entries are $2.20, they're making money as soon as there are 1,591 re-entries. The prize pool wouldn't increase until there were 1,750 re-entries (assuming $0.20 of the $2.20 is rake), so if the prize pool reaches $12,000, there must have been 6,000 re-entries.

Maybe I'm missing something.
 
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Surely if a tournament beats its guaranteed, the site isn't losing money?

If the guarantee is $3,500 and re-entries are $2.20, they're making money as soon as there are 1,591 re-entries. The prize pool wouldn't increase until there were 1,750 re-entries (assuming $0.20 of the $2.20 is rake), so if the prize pool reaches $12,000, there must have been 6,000 re-entries.

Maybe I'm missing something.
Yes you are missing the fact, that the initial free entry also added $2.2 to the price pool. So a $12.000 price pool could be 4.000 (free) entries and 2.000 reentries, or it could be 3.000 (free) entries and 3.000 re-entries. This was a unique feature of these particular Twitch streamer games and the reason, they did not show up in the lobby as freerolls but as $2.2 MTTs.
 
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If the freerolls were to end I would only play the micros for up to 5 dollars, more than that I think is a bit high for my bankroll
 
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I would play microstakes....in fact, I already do this because most sites have already drastically reduced the number of freerolls!...
 
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i need freeroll to build my bankroll, no freeroll mean try saving some money to deposit and play micro up to $1 buy in
 
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Sit and go or play like that not too expensive the game and try to do my bankroll there.....
 
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This is generally a wise practice anyway, regardless of your feelings regarding Stars stopping freerolls. Keeping just enough funds in your accounts to play a couple of days and then keeping the rest in a savings account, where it is earning you money regardless of whether you play or not, win or lose.
I only leave it in because I see it as a score and not money. I have only removed it when it has been excessive. My money most commonly went to 55c hot turbos and $11 mini fenomenos. I find I am playing them less.
 
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if you mean satalites as well then I may stop palying or just do play money
 
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The question is moot. ALL sites will not stop with freerolls. There will always bhe some sites where this remains available...
So what I've done --- I've moved away from poker stars, for example, and hardly spend any cash on that site. Basically, if greed rears its head any more than it already he, I put on my walking boots.

I encourage everyone to vote with your feet and show the sites that they cannot function without us. They need us. Its high time we start using our power.

Poker stars is boring AF these days. All the same old tourneys. All the same oldf formats (except for those which have been removed/cancelled). Challenges suck. No rewards which are actually cash based.

Screw 'em.
 
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Yes you are missing the fact, that the initial free entry also added $2.2 to the price pool. So a $12.000 price pool could be 4.000 (free) entries and 2.000 reentries, or it could be 3.000 (free) entries and 3.000 re-entries. This was a unique feature of these particular Twitch streamer games and the reason, they did not show up in the lobby as freerolls but as $2.2 MTTs.
Ah, I understand. Thanks for the explanation.
 
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The question is moot. ALL sites will not stop with freerolls. There will always bhe some sites where this remains available.. So what I've done --- I've moved away from Poker Stars, for example, and hardly spend any cash on that site. Basically, if greed rears its head any more than it already he, I put on my walking boots.
Actually you have not moved away from pokerstars. According to sharkscope you played 18 freerolls and a $0.5 SnG there yesterday, and you have also played some games today.
I encourage everyone to vote with your feet and show the sites that they cannot function without us. They need us. Its high time we start using our power.
According to Sharkscope you have paid $557 in rake on PokerStars, but you have won more than $1.100 in freerolls not even counting some CC UK games, where you won $600, and which were also sponsored to some extend. So unless you have spend money in cash games or the casino section, then PokerStars has lost money on you, and they would do just fine, if you actually stopped playing there.

I honestly dont understand, why so many people are so busy bitcing about PokerStars and think, the site cant do without them, when all, they have ever done, is to suck money out of the site by spamming one freeroll after another but play few regular games and usually for a super low buyin? Its basically the same as biting the hand, that has fed you for 4 years. Where does all this anger and entitlement come from? :unsure:
Poker stars is boring AF these days. All the same old tourneys. All the same oldf formats (except for those which have been removed/cancelled). Challenges suck. No rewards which are actually cash based.
I will admit, that there has not been much innovation on PokerStars lately apart from Power Path.
 
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I voted to continue playing even if the freerolls completely disappear. I think I'll find a way out if I have an empty account - it will become much more interesting to play and I'll have to pay closer attention to my bankroll. Yes, some aspects of site policies are not inspiring, they want to make more money from us, and in turn we are looking for options to earn and withdraw funds without losses and quickly.
 
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I'm afraid to even think about such things. It's a nightmare. I hope this time never comes.
 
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Actually you have not moved away from Pokerstars. According to Sharkscope you played 18 freerolls and a $0.5 SnG there yesterday, and you have also played some games today.

According to Sharkscope you have paid $557 in rake on PokerStars, but you have won more than $1.100 in freerolls not even counting some CC UK games, where you won $600, and which were also sponsored to some extend. So unless you have spend money in cash games or the casino section, then PokerStars has lost money on you, and they would do just fine, if you actually stopped playing there.

I honestly dont understand, why so many people are so busy bitcing about PokerStars and think, the site cant do without them, when all, they have ever done, is to suck money out of the site by spamming one freeroll after another but play few regular games and usually for a super low buyin? Its basically the same as biting the hand, that has fed you for 4 years. Where does all this anger and entitlement come from? :unsure:

I will admit, that there has not been much innovation on PokerStars lately apart from Power Path.
I have moved away from stars in terms of spend. The data shows EXACTLY that.
My point is that it used to be fun. Full of challenges. I used to play cash games, zoom, as well as knock-outs and bounty builders. Used to play Sunday storm a lot too.
If all you see are freerolls, it demonstrates I've moved away from investing money in poker stars...as I indicated.
You don't have to approach the question like you're some sort of private detective trying to catch people out.
If you don't understand the data, ask. No need to be a jerk about it. Or do you love driving people away from CC too?
 
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Actually you have not moved away from Pokerstars. According to Sharkscope you played 18 freerolls and a $0.5 SnG there yesterday, and you have also played some games today.

According to Sharkscope you have paid $557 in rake on PokerStars, but you have won more than $1.100 in freerolls not even counting some CC UK games, where you won $600, and which were also sponsored to some extend. So unless you have spend money in cash games or the casino section, then PokerStars has lost money on you, and they would do just fine, if you actually stopped playing there.

I honestly dont understand, why so many people are so busy bitcing about PokerStars and think, the site cant do without them, when all, they have ever done, is to suck money out of the site by spamming one freeroll after another but play few regular games and usually for a super low buyin? Its basically the same as biting the hand, that has fed you for 4 years. Where does all this anger and entitlement come from? :unsure:

I will admit, that there has not been much innovation on PokerStars lately apart from Power Path.

Also -- you are incorrect about Stars being in a better position if I left. They would not. Your logic is flawed. They would not continue to get Rake. If I had never played there, they would have lost my rake, but would not have saved any money as all those winnings would still go to someone else. My leaving does not remove their costs...just a (tiny) piece of revenue. Also -- $500 in rake represents $5000 in player investment in the business. Any company turning away people who invest $5K with them are probably going to get the dwindles.

From a poker business perspective, the comparison of an individual rake to winnings ration is meaningless. IE. Even if I won every game I ever played, poker stars would still be makling money from rake. THEY DO NOT LOSE BY PLAYERS WINNING. the only way they lose money is when rake does not cover prizes (OVERALL) + fully loaded business costs (ie people, buildings, servers, electricity, etc.,)
Lex, Finton and Spraggy have far more impressive winning to rake ratio... maybe stars should ask them to walk?

My leaving takes away rake. If you run a business and your customers stop spending money on you and only take the free road, then you've done something wrong.
 
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I have moved away from stars in terms of spend. The data shows EXACTLY that.
Well according to Sharkscope you never "spend" a dollar, since you won more from freerolls, than you paid in rake for other regular tournaments.
My point is that it used to be fun. Full of challenges. I used to play cash games, zoom, as well as knock-outs and bounty builders. Used to play Sunday storm a lot too.
If all you see are freerolls, it demonstrates I've moved away from investing money in poker stars...as I indicated.
Sharkscope show your entire playing history as far as tournaments go. It does not track cash games, casino games or sportsbetting though. However just because you provoked me, I did a bit of googling and found a site called Statname, which track cash game players. And according to that site you have only played 146 hands in cash games on PokerStars with your favourite limit being 10NL. With 8BB / 100 being a typical rake, you have only paid a dollar and change in rake in cash games, so it does not change the conclusion at all.
You don't have to approach the question like you're some sort of private detective trying to catch people out.
If you don't understand the data, ask. No need to be a jerk about it. Or do you love driving people away from CC too?
I just think, people should check themselfes before posting things like the quote below.
I encourage everyone to vote with your feet and show the sites that they cannot function without us. They need us. Its high time we start using our power.
I am tired of reading these "PokerStars should burn down, because they no longer give me as much money, as they used to in the past" comments. Do you really think, you are an indespensable customer, when your main activity has always been to play freerolls?
Also -- you are incorrect about Stars being in a better position if I left. They would not. Your logic is flawed. They would not continue to get Rake. If I had never played there, they would have lost my rake, but would not have saved any money as all those winnings would still go to someone else.
If less people play freerolls, then sites can offer less of them or cut down on the price money and still give the remaining players the same chance of winning. So your reasoning is just as flawed as saying, it does not cost anything for an airline to offer you a free seat, since the plane is flying anyway. In the very short term this might be true, but in the longer run airlines adjust their schedule to the number of paying customers. And so do poker sites.
the only way they lose money is when rake does not cover prizes (OVERALL) + fully loaded business costs (ie people, buildings, servers, electricity, etc.,)
Yes like in freerolls, where the income is zero.
If you run a business and your customers stop spending money on you and only take the free road, then you've done something wrong.
But this is, what you have been doing the whole time. The overwhelming majority of your tournaments played on PokerStars are freerolls, and this is not just something, that began recently. Maybe you are playing even less regular games now, but you never played a significant number of them at any point. This is a list of your most commonly played games according to Sharkscope:

1) Scheduled ST+SAT $0 - 4799 games
2) Scheduled TSAT $0.33 - 1184 games
3) SnG T $0.5 9 player - 715 games
4) Scheduled ST+SAT £0 - 403 games
5) Scheduled N $0 - 267 games
6) Scheduled ST+SAT6 $0 - 184 games
7) SnG T $0,1 360 player - 119 games
8) SnG ND $0,25 - 117 games

So basically a bunch of freerolls and penny games, with the latter obviously generating very little rake. And this is why, your total rake payment is only $557 over a period of 4 years despite also playing a few more expensive games like Sunday Storm.
 
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I would just continue to play microstakes. I like to play $1.10 HORSE and 8 Games at PokerStars.
 
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I am a microstakes player anyways so nothing has changed for me anyways but freerolls are always welcome if those games appear back in the lobbies!
 
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Well in this case, I would play microstakes. As I play more for fun, I really like the freerolls.
 
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Over time, you realize that the time you spend on tournament poker can be spent with greater benefit and or more pleasantly, but if it brings money
 
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