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pat3392
Visionary
Silver Level
You are wrong on so many levels here.
It's not a cash game like I siad. ANd yes cev= $EV. THe problem is effective stacks in a cash game are always possible to get to the cap (lets say 100bb+) while in a freezeout if you lose chips you have a reduced effective stack, which can't be topped up. With a reduced stack you lose lots of your spots. So while you might make a cEV move (one that is in fact $ev as well since it is so far from teh money) you do risk reducing your future options by doing so.
And as to lags getting paid off, sure lags can chip up somewhat just by being laggy. But i said the BIG payoff for lagginess is showing you are lag and then playing for stacks when you have the goods and they don't believe you. That is the primary benefit of playing LAG. (In fact negreanu says the same thing essentially in a spam-mail I got today from cardshark media... if you really need me to I'll cut and paste it later...)
You are right that you only have to be better than your opponents, but you cant bluff an idiot or a calling station as they say. And fish get real stationy and flat behind 3bets all the time on deeper stacks. WHich makes it a losing proposition if you are just trying to play position and 3bet with crap - unless you know what flops you need to give up on etc. and excel at reading the mind of a fish.
Lag vs fish works best on shallower stacks when they start to get afraid / in the money. Then they start to fold more easily to pressure or give up on pots.
I'm not saying don't pick your spots, but if you are winning then either you aren't as lag as you think you are, or we are working on different definitions of what LAG is.
sure it won't be like standard 100bb cash, but I play cash at my local casino a bit, which is very, very annoyingly 50bb deep. so it'll be like that to some minor extent
wait a second, I thought ICM considered future stack sizes and what we can do with each stack? No? What does it actually calculate then?
I'd like to read that, please copy/paste
sure we can't bluff them, but I can value bet weak holdings to death, a different form of out-playing. So I can't go nuts with 94o but J9o for sure
That imho is so untrue. Most players play very straight forwardly in 3-bet pots; if they flat pre and fold when they miss that is a winning proposition to me
meh it depends on your idea of lag. I see TAG internet guys play cash surrounded by a bunch of fish. They think I'm being super laggy raising stuff like QT/A8 MP but in reality I'm not bluffing, I'm doing it for value
I think we're working on different definitions for sure. But I'm aspiring to find as many value spots, slowly opening up my game. It's utterly amazing people's fold to 3-bet stat in the 45, just we're shorter there for the most part so I got to do some adjustments. Like I did a squeeze play, not paying enough attention to the stack sizes, I put a little under 1/3 effective stack in by doing my standard raise, huge mistake as I raised over 4 players......