Help needed- got 2 accounts on PS and want to cash out- can i?

[zachvac]

Phil Gordon and some his friends actually played in at least one women's poker buy-in tournament. If it's stealing other's money, he and his friends would have been in jail.

Was this known before-hand? If they lied about it they could be charged with fraud. I don't know the details, but just because someone does something illegal and doesn't end up in jail doesn't make it right. Again, if I steal the candy from the store when no one's looking, does that make it right since I don't get punished for it?

 

[pokerchris]

Was this known before-hand? If they lied about it they could be charged with fraud. I don't know the details, but just because someone does something illegal and doesn't end up in jail doesn't make it right. Again, if I steal the candy from the store when no one's looking, does that make it right since I don't get punished for it?

Again, we are not talking about right or wrong. We are talking about if it's stealing other's money.

 

[zachvac]

Again, we are not talking about right or wrong. We are talking about if it's stealing other's money.

ok let me break it down real simple. The money should be someone else's and they should be spending it at Stars, possibly enticing them to deposit and get Stars more rake. So by doing this you are denying money to both this person and potentially pokerstars. So by doing something you agree is wrong (illegal), the money changes hands from Stars and another legal player to yours. How is that not stealing? Through illegal means, you acquire money that had you not done anything illegal, would have been someone else's. Sounds like stealing to me.

 

[pokerchris]

Umm, people can move. They make it possible, but not legal. By changing the info he is effectively saying that he lives in that country. That is fraud and a felony IIRC. And it's not whether it would hurt the stars marketing strategy, it's if he's breaking rules he promised to follow and taking money away from pokerstars and other members who actually follow the rules.

Many people don't want to give real personal info in any sites. Do they commit fraud and a felony?

 

[zachvac]

Many people don't want to give real personal info in any sites. Do they commit fraud and a felony?

Not sure about felony, but it sure is fraud. You sign an agreement with them. You don't have to give personal info, but they don't have to let you play. If you want to play you have to give them the personal info. It's that simple. People who lie and click I agree to the terms are committing fraud.

 

[pokerchris]

ok let me break it down real simple. The money should be someone else's and they should be spending it at Stars, possibly enticing them to deposit and get Stars more rake. So by doing this you are denying money to both this person and potentially Pokerstars. So by doing something you agree is wrong (illegal), the money changes hands from Stars and another legal player to yours. How is that not stealing? Through illegal means, you acquire money that had you not done anything illegal, would have been someone else's. Sounds like stealing to me.

Wrong and illegal are two completely different things don't get confused. There are many things that are legal but wrong. Just give us the name of player who was stole from. If you can't your case will be dismissed.

 

[pokerchris]

Not sure about felony, but it sure is fraud. You sign an agreement with them. You don't have to give personal info, but they don't have to let you play. If you want to play you have to give them the personal info. It's that simple. People who lie and click I agree to the terms are committing fraud.

I don't think you read PS terms. They never say you have to give real personal info.

 

[zachvac]

Fraud is illegal. When installing the software the OP aggreed to this: "A User may only have one account with PokerStars and shall only use the Service using such single account." - Poker Stars - Online Poker Site Terms of Service (5.2)

By agreeing to this and breaking this agreement the OP committed fraud. This is illegal, not just wrong. How much clearer can I make this? btw I'm done with this. The OP realizes it's wrong and illegal, if they want to break the law that's fine, that's none of my business. I've said what I would do and that's that.

 

[zachvac]

I don't think you read PS terms. They never say you have to give real personal info.

umm, yes they do:

"4.3. You agree that you are required to provide us with certain personal details about yourself (including details regarding your methods of payment) for the purpose of using the Service. Our control of the information provided by you shall be subject to our Privacy Policy."

 

[pokerchris]

umm, yes they do:

"4.3. You agree that you are required to provide us with certain personal details about yourself (including details regarding your methods of payment) for the purpose of using the Service. Our control of the information provided by you shall be subject to our Privacy Policy."

"certain personal detail" does not mean all and real. For those who don't play for real money, what's the reason to give real personal info for? FT poker was asking to give complete real personal info when sign up before and has since changed its policy.

 

[insolitude]

If nothing else, this thread has identified some of the real idiots on this site. Time to do some house cleaning, starting with the OP.

 

[switch0723]

Ill sum up everything in 2 quick points

1. OP cheated to technically steal from the pokersite, then use that money to beat other players for their money

2. OP gets everything he deserves for stealing money and breaking the law for gambling illegally and breaking a load of terms and policies

 

[cardfetish]

For those of you that think the OP didn't "cheat", here's an idea - he stated that he placed 2nd in a CC freeroll winning $28. Since he was playing under false pretenses, he effectively "cheated" CC'ers out of that prize money. How would you feel if you were the 'bubble' and missed out on prize $ b/c of someone who was not supposed to play in the 1st place?

Try entering a real $ tourney and losing out to illegal players and I'm sure you will feel differently.Especially if you are at the final table HU and it means the difference of winning 200$ vs 100$.

 

[zachvac]

"certain personal detail" does not mean all and real. For those who don't play for real money, what's the reason to give real personal info for? FT poker was asking to give complete real personal info when sign up before and has since changed its policy.

sigh, read the privacy policy:

As part of the PokerStars Account Opening process, we will ask you to provide us with certain personal information, including a name, postal address, e-mail address and password as well as to certify that you are at least 18 years old or older in jurisdictions in which the minimum age for use of the PokerStars services is greater than 18.

Giving personal information implies truthful personal information. If the cops ask you where you were the night of April 22nd, if you lie can you claim "they never told me to tell the truth about where I was".

 

[switch0723]

Giving personal information implies truthful personal information. If the cops ask you where you were the night of April 22nd, if you lie can you claim "they never told me to tell the truth about where I was".

^^ lol, best analagy ever, <3 zach

 

[4Aces]

Jesus Christ I cant believe how many people are being so hard on OP because he is underage. Playing in country freerolls when your not from that country is cheating.

I'm sorry but I'm betting that A LOT of people (some pretty successful) play poker online underage and others at least used to play underage (I know I did), so did Phil Ivey. I would do the same thing if I could take back time. If I enjoy playing a game, can win money at it, but the law says I cant play, then F**K the law.
Cheating is having an unfair advantage. Whilst it is against the law, being underage IS NOT CHEATING. It just isn't.

 

[pokerchris]

Not sure about felony, but it sure is fraud. You sign an agreement with them. You don't have to give personal info, but they don't have to let you play. If you want to play you have to give them the personal info. It's that simple. People who lie and click I agree to the terms are committing fraud.

For someone to commit a fraud, he or she has to:
1) Intentionally provide false info
2) To gain something in value

Sighing up a gambling site and do not provide truth personal info to avoid identity thief is NOT fraud.

 

[zachvac]

For someone to commit a fraud, he or she has to:
1)Intentionally provide false info
2)To gain something in value

Sighing up a gambling site and do not provide truth personal info to avoid identity thief is NOT fraud.

1. False country
2. used to enter into a tournament with free prizes (free prizes have value)

I can't believe I'm actually having this discussion.

 

[4Aces]

Just did a little research and found out that there is in fact quite a lot of successful online players who are/was underage. Don't forget Annette Obrestad either, she started out underage.
Sorry but LOL at anyone who thinks its cheating.

 

[pokerchris]

Jesus Christ I cant believe how many people are being so hard on OP because he is underage. Playing in country freerolls when your not from that country is cheating.

I'm sorry but I'm betting that A LOT of people (some pretty successful) play poker online underage and others at least used to play underage (I know I did), so did Phil Ivey. I would do the same thing if I could take back time. If I enjoy playing a game, can win money at it, but the law says I cant play, then F**K the law.
Cheating is having an unfair advantage. Whilst it is against the law, being underage IS NOT CHEATING. It just isn't.

If Doyle Brunson didn't break the rules or laws to play poker, there would be no Dolye Brunson as we know today.

 

[pokerchris]

1. False country
2. used to enter into a tournament with free prizes (free prizes have value)

I can't believe I'm actually having this discussion.

How much in value to be able to play in a freeroll?
0.0

 

[cardfetish]

How much in value to be able to play in a freeroll?
0.0

Read my last post then.....you took 28$ away from LEGAL members.....duh

 

[switch0723]

FYP

1. False country
2. used to enter into a tournament with free prizes (free prizes have value)

I can't believe I'm actually destroying everyone who opposes me in this discussion.

FYP

 

[pantin007]

:rofl:
<3 switch
but in reply what 4aces07is saying : it is true but that doesnt make it right
yes alot of players started off underage but that does not mean that we should disregard the rules that have been set into place, its not cheating but u still need to follow the age limit set out

 

[NoWuckingFurries]

How would you feel if you were the 'bubble' and missed out on prize $ b/c of someone who was not supposed to play in the 1st place?

If it was somebody underage, and they hadn't been cheating, then I would be impressed that they beat me...

Try entering a real $ tourney and losing out to illegal players and I'm sure you will feel differently.Especially if you are at the final table HU and it means the difference of winning 200$ vs 100$.

It wasn't a real $ tourney...

Sorry but LOL at anyone who thinks its cheating.

Do you ever have someone who is made a loyaler, then suddenly starts carrying on as if they've swallowed a "smug and sanctimonious" pill? I haven't been around long enough to know whether this happens here or not... :dontknow: