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Dorkus Malorkus said:
lol @ America.

- At war in Iraq & Afghanistan
- North Korea nuke crisis
- Dwindling domestic economy
- Huge problems with illegal immigration
- Obesity sweeping the nation
- More that I can't think of 'cos it's 1am.

HAY GUYZ WAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS BAN THAT ONLINE POKER ZOMG

Really, I'd find it pretty hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

(this post wasn't an attack on America in general before I get jumped on for it - I'm merely pointing out some of the more pressing issues that really should be prioritised somewhat - pretty much every country I'd imagine has more pressing issues then banning intarweb gambling).

Couldn't agree with you more. There are more important things that we should
be dealing with instead of wasting time on this.

Thanks for putting this back up front Chuck, all americans here should join.
 
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Sorry guys, but I'll take the USA over any other country any day, warts (especially politicians) and all. No use bringing up the "issues" of other countries.

As for gambling ... I am surprised the idiots in Congress don't look at this online gambling as a big bonanza for cash.

I have been going to Las Vegas for over twenty years. Used to seem almost like I was doing something "dirty" when I went there.

During the 1980's and beyond, states found out that they could make good money by running lotteries. Then, riverboat casinos and casinos run by American Indians started popping up everywhere.

As poker became more popular, suddenly gambling became more and more a part of everyday life.

NOW ... suddenly Congress decides that gambling is bad???
 
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ChuckTs said:
Ohhhhhh great...here comes the migration of hundreds of thousands of American gamblers through Canada...

Quick guys! Hide the precious beer!

Oh Chuck, I can drive to canada in less then an hour. What is your address? (I mean my new address) Oh, and yes I would love to drink all your beer. Start cookin up that bacon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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These people are such hypocrites it's sickening. They claim that "Internet betting can be addictive and can lead people to lose their savings."

Yet online lotteries and BETTING ON HORSE RACING is exempt.


Rep. Shelley Berkley D-Nev., pushed for removal of the exemptions. She said it was unfair to allow online lotteries and Internet betting on horse racing to flourish while cracking down on other kinds of sports betting, casino games and card games like poker.

but.. since the senate majority whip is from KENTUCKY, they had to leave the exemptions in there or it surely wouldn't pass in the senate.
 
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It's so ironic that with poker at its peak of popularity and just becoming widely acceptable due to its (over)exposure on TV, our lawmakers are inches away from banning it online.

My state already made it illegal to place a bet online so I've been playing freerolls since then, aside from the last few days I've spent in Vegas, where I've felt free to log on and play a few games. The adjustment was less traumatic than I imagined it might be, and I haven't missed playing real money games too terribly. Then again, it's not a significant source of income for me as it is for some others.

I appreciate the US but not our government. I wouldn't leave on the sole basis of online poker being illegal, but I live so close to Canada it wouldn't be much of a change for me anyway if things were to get worse here in more ways.
 
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These quotes are from Republican Dave Weldon (from Marklar's link).

The FBI and the Department of Justice say Internet gambling serves as a medium for money laundering activities, and can be exploited by terrorists to that end. Congress has a chance to address this issue when it considers legislation I have co-sponsored, H.R. 4777, the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act.

Probably is true, but then surely the thing to do would be to regulate and check sites, not attempt to ban them. Money Launderers would move money at high volume, not at the low limit tables, so surely with the assistance of the gaming sites it would be easier to spot potential launderers (and hence terrorists). He doesn't seem to realise that the USA does not equal the World. Banning Americans form access to the site wouldn't stop Money Laundering if that is going on.

This act will preserve states' ability to regulate gambling within their borders, but with better controls so that it does not extend beyond their borders or to minors. It gives law enforcement clear authority to investigate, prosecute and terminate offshore Internet gambling sites that violate U.S. law.

Prosecute and terminate offshore Internet gambling sites that violate US Law? Does America really does consider itself to be above the rest of the world like this, with the ability to shut down companies operating overseas because they do not adhere to the same moral code as them?

Given the social consequences, Congress should not neglect its duty in providing safeguards and firewalls from those who would callously entrap new gamblers for the sake of a quick profit. We have successfully regulated gambling for the past 70 years. Now is not the time to give that all back because some offshore, shadowy gambling sites have misused the Internet as a loophole.

Shadowy gaming groups including Party Gaming (floated on London Stock exchange with a bigger value than Sainsburys?), 888 Gaming, pokerstars, Ladbrokes / william hill (legitimate regulated companies). They are offshore because they cant be onshore, and they are much more opaque than the majority of big US businesses I bet.

The fact remains: Internet gambling — in its current unrestricted, unregulated state — preys on those who are easy targets for gambling operators. And longer Congress delays action, the more harm offshore gambling operations will cause.

Restrict and regulate it then! It's not preying on easy targets - you need to make a sustained, concious effort to purchase a computer, download software, register details - it's not like taking casual puff of a spliff and descending into a life of drug abuse. If you play Poker / Casino games, it's because you WANT to - by all means cut down on thhe junk / spam emails, but legislate the companies to do so.

Consider recent studies indicating that Internet gambling operations are particularly adept at targeting young college students who enjoy 24-hour Internet access and easy credit. An estimated 1.6 million college students gambled online last year. Of those, as many as one in four may already be pathological gamblers.

1.6 million college students gambled online because they WANTED to - they weren't forced too. If there is a genuine run off social problem with internet gambling, then possibly it should be banned, but this needs to be investigated, dont just pick out figures at random and say what MAY be happening. And how exactly does Horse race betting and online lotteries betting stop the same people becoming pathological gamblers?

The run off from this will affect the whole world, but there's nothing much we can do over here, but you can. You are voters, you have elected officials, and you can put forward your point of view. It's always the Antis that seem to shout louder - if your congressman voted for the bill, ask him why he doesn't feel you should be allowed to play a $5 SnG for an hours enjoyment in the evening, and why he feels you should be allowed to buy a $5 lottery ticket or bet $5 on a horse race.
 
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While I would commend Duke, Lederer, and Hellmuth for their part in trying to make these people see sense, I find myself wondering whether the main reasons/excuses for banning it, addictiveness, debt, poverty etc are justifiable to poker itself.
On the most part, online poker players improve over time thus limiting their losses etc, and in a lot of cases improve their financial situation.
It is usually the newbies ( fish ) that afford others to make a buck or two, until they themselves improve to a degree that allows them to profit or float along at an affordable level.

Would it be fair to say that online casinos albeit that many operate both poker sites and casino games, hold the most responsibility for addiction and debt.
Were any of their high brow promoters alongside Duke and the likes?
Slot machines for example are very addictive and are dependant on the click of a button while having no skill factor involved, and no scope to improve your game play, thus always relying on luck and prayer.

Surely these are the types of games that should be targeted if indeed the powers that be are genuinely concerned about the well being of the average American family.
If horse race betting is allowed then surely online poker should be too, they both require a certain amount of knowledge, thought, skill, and preparation and don't depend on pure 100% luck.

If they are so adamant on taking the moral high ground then let them target games of chance and not games of experience and skill such as horse racing and poker, well poker, as horse racing appears to be above reproach.
I suppose that old argument still arises whether or not poker is a game of chance or not, we all know it isn't, but until the powers that be admit it is a lot more than that, this type of thing will continue to damage the game.
The Lotto is a game of pure chance but is allowed to continue, and I suppose the reasons for that is the fact that money goes back into the community for good causes etc, maybe if poker went the same way things might be different.
A lot of the big name players are renowned for their charitable work within the poker community often gathering large sums of money from fellow players through various events, so to some degree they are already like a lottery.

It just seems very strange to me the way things are moving with regards to online gambling in the USA, and if this is a federal thing then its time to close down Vegas, Reno, and Atlantic City etc to show they mean business ( as if ).

Keep your chins up across the pond, something good will come of it all and like the rest of us, you can go back to starving your children on a daily basis with your evil $2 S & G event.
 
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My $0.02...money talks and lobbyists can easily sway politicians to vote one way or another, the fact the US has a conservative gov't right now really doesn't matter because the big money making online sites have enough to sway the decision makers. They tried to do this with prohibition numerous times since the '20s and that never happened. Gambling is not nearly as big a problem as alcoholism and we have treatment facilities for both problems. There are much bigger domestic issues currently that online gambling, which effects mainly the demographic who doesn't contribute to them...so back off man! Hope I didn't step on any toes there. I kinda like having a second income right guys? I'll claim them on my taxes :p
 
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This bill will never get past the Senate in its current form...although nothing would surprise me.
 
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Agreed Bkry. I'm not sure why this has only just hit mainstream press because Goodlatte & co has being trying to get this (or something similar) bill passed for a while now. I believe it's made it to the Senate before too, but got thrown out.
 
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Actually....

the bill that passed the House yesterday does not stop on-line poker or gaming of any sort, yet. It still must pass the Senate in order for that to occur. From what I've heard the Senate may not even vote on the bill because they do not view it as a priority.
 
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~~Shelynn~~ said:
Have to agree with you "BBB" on this one, you've hit the nail right on the head with this.

I agree with the Ladies. I am embarassed for the way this administration has handled everything, especially foreign affairs. I hope all you people from other countries dont think that most of us americans think like or agree with what these lunatics are doing. We dont. The United States is at an all time low in my opinion. These republicans are lying and breaking laws as they see fit to further their agenda and they all need to go to jail, or even better a Guantanamo prison camp!
 
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