16%?? Is this normal?

[Scientist78]

Hold'em (real money):

1978 hands played and saw flop:
- 68 times out of 240 while in small blind (28%)
- 95 times out of 239 while in big blind (40%)
- 241 times out of 1499 in other positions (16%)
- a total of 404 times out of 1978 (20%)

Pots won at showdown - 55 out of 112 (49%)
Pots won without showdown - 218


It feels like I cannot play any hands lately. When I do get something I get my BALLS BROKEN by some donked lower percentage suckout...but thats poker I guess

I am not winning my showdowns either, which Im usually ALWAYS above 75%. Whats wrong? Is playing TOO tight causing me to lose races? Should I loosen up and call with King Ten offsuit even though I normally toss that hand (depending on position, table etc).

Sometimes I feel that I should be playing more hands. How many times have you thrown away a 96 offsuit only for the flop to come out 996 or 578 rainbow? I think I might try a new strategy/experiment for the next 500 hands on lower tables (1.20 SNG) and play more hands to see what happens.

 

[LuckyChippy]

If you are winning i don't think you should change a thing. 50% of showdowns is good i think, you aren't folding out too many people with hands you beat nor calling too much with losing hands.

 

[vanquish]

75% is wayyyy too high to sustain

 

[Scientist78]

its about 73% and yea, i think its cause im playing very tight...I'm just wondering why It would dip so low?

 

[Egon Towst]

Your sample is pretty small. Also, do I gather that this is from STTs ? If so, one would need a breakdown by blind level to draw meaningful conclusions. During an MTT or STT, you should be adjusting your play as the blinds rise and, therefore, lumping the whole lot into a single set of stats is not useful.

 

[vanquish]

its about 73% and yea, i think its cause im playing very tight...I'm just wondering why It would dip so low?

dude thats way too high still

mine over like 300k hands of winning at 3+ PTBBs is like 51%, and i bet even our nittiest members have WTSD%'s around that number

 

[jolubman]

I think this is an exceptable number. You may also be experiencing variance since you sample size is so small.

 

[Scientist78]

I'm sorry I don't have 73% that was for a different sample I looked at. It looks like 51% total but seems like 10% lol. I'm still not seeing alot of good hands.

I just won two tourneys using this method, this is more like it!



pokerstars Game #31359573452: Tournament #185423737, $1.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/08/07 16:24:31 ET
Table '185423737 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 5: taevkiskin (5885 in chips)
Seat 9: Scientist78 (7615 in chips)
taevkiskin: posts small blind 100
Scientist78: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Scientist78 [As Ah]
taevkiskin: raises 400 to 600
Scientist78: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [Qc 6c 9h]
Scientist78: checks
taevkiskin: bets 800
Scientist78: raises 4200 to 5000
taevkiskin: raises 285 to 5285 and is all-in
Scientist78: calls 285
*** TURN *** [Qc 6c 9h] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [Qc 6c 9h 2c] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Scientist78: shows [As Ah] (three of a kind, Aces)
taevkiskin: shows [Ac Qd] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Scientist78 collected 11770 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11770 | Rake 0
Board [Qc 6c 9h 2c Ad]
Seat 5: taevkiskin (button) (small blind) showed [Ac Qd] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 9: Scientist78 (big blind) showed [As Ah] and won (11770) with three of a kind, Aces
place (eliminated at hand #31362449288).

166 hands played and saw flop:
- 13 times out of 40 while in small blind (33%)
- 20 times out of 39 while in big blind (51%)
- 5 times out of 87 in other positions (6%)
- a total of 38 times out of 166 (23%)

Pots won at showdown - 10 out of 14 (71%)
Pots won without showdown - 27

PokerStars Tournament #185423737, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $1.00/$0.20 USD
9 players
Total Prize Pool: $9.00 USD
Tournament started 2009/08/07 15:29:06 ET
Tournament finished 2009/08/07 16:25:14 ET
1: Scientist78 (Portland), $4.50 (50%)
2: taevkiskin (Flensburg), $2.70 (30%)
3: ESBowl300 (Manteca), $1.80 (20%)
4: w1red1234567 (Фрязино),
5: ziron.hu (Debrecen),
6: DeltaF (Tallinn),
7: ujediuj (Jaransk),
8: Nfootballsta (Berlin),
9: Kriller85 (Neipel),

You finished in 1st place (eliminated at hand #31359573452).

137 hands played and saw flop:
- 11 times out of 35 while in small blind (31%)
- 8 times out of 36 while in big blind (22%)
- 9 times out of 66 in other positions (14%)
- a total of 28 times out of 137 (20%)

Pots won at showdown - 9 out of 10 (90%)
Pots won without showdown - 37

 

[dmorris68]

Sometimes I feel that I should be playing more hands. How many times have you thrown away a 96 offsuit only for the flop to come out 996 or 578 rainbow? I think I might try a new strategy/experiment for the next 500 hands on lower tables (1.20 SNG) and play more hands to see what happens.

This line of thinking will be your downfall. You're focusing on results instead of the long term.

96o is typically a bad hand to play regardless of whether you "would" have connected with the flop. ANY TWO CARDS can connect with the flop, even the notorious 72o, but that doesn't mean you get in the habit of playing more of them. Not only that, but most sites (besides Stars IIRC) do not use a set deck -- they constantly reshuffle the remaining deck, meaning if you HAD played the hand, the board would almost certainly come out completely different anyway.

There are certain very specific circumstances where you should call/raise with ATC, but those reasons have nothing to do with some expectation that they'll turn into a monster this time.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

dude thats way too high still

mine over like 300k hands of winning at 3+ PTBBs is like 51%, and i bet even our nittiest members have W$SD%'s around that number

FYP.

WTSD is way smaller than that.

And yes, if your W$SD is much higher than 50% over a fairly large sample size, you're a weak fish who gets bluffed out of the best hand way too much.

 

[Mase31683]

I would kill for that kind of W$SD, the 49% I mean. Mine's 45%, but I'm.......less than a nit let's say.

 

[NineLions]

The W$SD advice above is pretty standard.

The 16% is fine, for full ring cash games. But if you're playing SnGs where a lot of the game will be less than full table, you need to open up your range near the button, which happens much more often as the table gets smaller.

 

[Scientist78]

The W$SD advice above is pretty standard.

The 16% is fine, for full ring cash games. But if you're playing SnGs where a lot of the game will be less than full table, you need to open up your range near the button, which happens much more often as the table gets smaller.

good tip thanks man!!