A fish cash thread, from donkaments to play poker.

[Logan2]

Have around 24BI for 5nl, but i think that still not ready to jump.

Results so far.

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You can see that still have a lot of leaks.


Day by Day so far.

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Also can see that pretty much 1 day is what screw all (16).


Last 2 days been reading a lot which is one of the reasons why playing so small sessions, some very interesting links.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-stakes-full-ring/complete-guide-beating-micros-430637/

This is a most read, but will take some time to read all.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/7.../concept-week-schedule-table-contents-397190/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69/micro-stakes-pl-nl/best-unl-strategy-posts-98125/

And last 600 hands.

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Today play just 1 hour/ 4 tabling/ 212 hands / +$1.92

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Now, the thing is that i know can´t really make any conclusion because is a really lolmao example size. I know that the 14-15 was in a heater because was hitting everything, was hitting every set and every flop, so in a way the 16 was just variance getting even because that day was cooler after cooler most of the time (probably should stop playing after couple buyins down).

But last 2 days been different, not really hitting all, but taking advantaje of table selecting, more position aware, more stats aware, stealing more, 3bet more to steals, cbetting more, etc. still have leaks, still want to improve, so not sure if is really better to wait to like 10-15k hands at least and keep learning/improving for cheap, or just trow a couple 5nl tables mixed with 2-3/2nl and see from there.

 

[KerouacsDog]

Personally I would take a couple of shots at 5nl and see how I got on. Nice links, thanks, will take a look at them before playing today.
GL Logan.

 

[Logan2]

Self note to raise pre over limpers if decide to play a hand.




Poker Stars - $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)

SB: $2.73
BB: $2.24
UTG: $3.95
UTG+1: $4.71
MP: $4.94
MP+1: $5
CO: $11.10
BTN Hero: $5.14
slynki - Sitting Out

Pre-flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN and dealt
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.05, MP folds, MP+1 calls $0.05, CO folds, Hero calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, BB checks

Flop: ($0.25) (5 players)
SB bets $0.15, BB calls $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.37, SB raises to $0.60, BB raises to $2.19 (All-in), Hero folds, SB calls $1.59

Turn: ($5) (2 players)

River: ($5) (2 players)

Final Pot: $5

Showdown:
SB shows (a straight, three to seven)
BB shows (two pair, sixes and foures)
Outcome: SB wins $4.76

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Also, a 4bet is always Aces/kings in 2nl you stupid ****


Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (7 players)

SB: $4.04
BB: $0.68
UTG: $1.45
MP: $0.71
MP+1 Hero: $2
CO: $1.54
BTN: $1.63
davidhtp - Sitting Out

Pre-flop: ($0.05) Hero is MP+1 and dealt
UTG raises to $0.08, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.21, 4 folds, UTG raises to $0.54, Hero calls $0.33

Flop: ($1.11) (2 players)
UTG bets $0.91 (All-in), Hero calls $0.91

Turn: ($2.93) (2 players)

River: ($2.93) (2 players)

Final Pot: $2.93

Showdown:
UTG shows (two pair, aces and threes)
Hero shows (two pair, queens and threes)
Outcome: UTG wins $2.79


Still not so bad session.

 

[taaron]

ya good mental noteabout the PF raise. . .someone correct me if i am wrong but these up/down swings are common-normal(?); your graph looks ALOT like mine; but i am down -11 right now. . .

 

[taaron]

ya good mental noteabout the PF raise. . .someone correct me if i am wrong but these up/down swings are common-normal(?); your graph looks ALOT like mine; but i am down -11 right now. . .

SMH. . .lol.. . . .meant to add that i did the same dam thing the other day w/ JJ; let him river to a flush. . .i just played it all wrong. . .o well. . .thats what i'm here for. . .to learn, learn some more, and APPLY. . .

 

[Logan2]

ya good mental noteabout the PF raise. . .someone correct me if i am wrong but these up/down swings are common-normal(?); your graph looks ALOT like mine; but i am down -11 right now. . .

I don´t think is "normal", take this with a pinch of salt but the reason to such swings are because we suck!! LOL

Tbh, i think the reason is because been playing more marginal hands/spots than should be, which put me in tricky spots and more flip situations increasing variance.

But we are here to improve so is ok.

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In other things, another QQ hand but now on 5nl


Poker Stars - $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em (9 players)

SB: $5.21
BB: $1.27
UTG: $2.11
UTG+1: $5.18
MP: $4.09
MP+1: $10.54
MP+2 Hero: $5
CO: $5.32
BTN: $6.28

Pre-flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP+2 and dealt
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.37, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.22

Flop: ($0.81) (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.54, UTG+1 raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.66

Turn: ($3.21) (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.75, Hero raises to $3.43 (All-in), UTG+1 calls $1.68

River: ($10.07) (2 players)

Final Pot: $10.07

Showdown:
UTG+1 shows (a pair of jacks)
Hero shows (two pair, queens and jacks)
Outcome: Hero wins $9.58


My first stacked in 5nl weeeeeee

 

[taaron]

sweeeeeeet!. . .we must both be on it today. . . i'm +16. . . .go man.. . . go!

o yeah.. about the other point. . .i know. . .LOL. . .

 

[Logan2]

+16 in 2nl?, damn, jump to 5nl and take some juice from the heater lol, keep it up mate.

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Well, first day of mixing 2nl/5nl was good.

In 2nl after been -$1.40 or something like that with the QQ hand, manage to get back a little and ended just some cents down which is ok.

In 5nl not much happen, people say that 2nl/5nl are the same and super easy, but from the small amount of time played i find it really different, people limp a lot less, 3bet more, fold a lot more, i think from 8 times i raise was not call it once (in 2nl probably will be called half time), in general you have more tight people in tables. So pretty much you are sitting there stealing every orbit to not get blind it out and waiting to hit one hand and be pay. Still was a good start, not play much hands so winning almost 1buyin was more than good.


Results for the day: 585 hands / +4.66

Results by stakes.

 

[micromachine]

I don´t think is "normal", take this with a pinch of salt but the reason to such swings are because we suck!! LOL

Tbh, i think the reason is because been playing more marginal hands/spots than should be, which put me in tricky spots and more flip situations increasing variance.

But we are here to improve so is ok.

My first stacked in 5nl weeeeeee

GL Logan! I'll be following your thread.

I also experience pretty harsh swings, its normal for 'beginners' I think

The guy with AKs played the hand like a maniac lol

 

[Logan2]

@ Micromachine. Thanks, yea but not so big like in donkaments which is great.

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Played 2 sessions today, manage to load 900+ hands which is good, card dead most of the day and some suckouts but in general ok aside of results.


2nl - 1st and 2nd session


5nl - 1st and 2nd session.

So far getting better results in 5nl than 2nl, i think people is so trigger happy in 2nl than increase variance a lot. Tomorrow will try only 5nl and see how it goes


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[Logan2]

Long update.


Decide to stay in 2nl little longer, been studying value beting and board/hand reading, also been color coding players last 2 days and it helps a lot to select tables and find the best sit.

Last 4 sessions been positive.

Running little -ev but playing a lot better i think.


Graph look little more steady this 2 days.

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Epic last 100 hands, crazy swing with 3 big pots lose in a row then followed by another 3 big pots win it to get back. Happy that not tilt at the time, have a couple very good tables with 3-4 very bad players that were giving away money so after the big loses try to relax and just think that could get back the $ and was surprise to get it so fast.


Couple of the hands.

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Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)

SB: $1.73
BB: $6.56
UTG: $6.90
UTG+1: $0.80
MP: $2.74
MP+1: $0.93
CO Hero: $2
BTN: $3.62

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO and dealt
3 folds, MP+1 raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.22, BTN calls $0.22, 2 folds, MP+1 raises to $0.93 (All-in), Hero calls $0.71, BTN calls $0.71

Flop: ($2.82) (3 players)
Hero bets $1.07 (All-in), BTN calls $1.07

Turn: ($4.96) (3 players)

River: ($4.96) (3 players)

Final Pot: $4.96

Showdown:
Hero shows (a pair of aces)
BTN shows (two pair, queens and tens)
MP+1 shows (a set of queens)
Outcome: BTN wins $2.04
Outcome: MP+1 wins $2.68
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Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (9 players)

SB Hero: $2.20
BB: $3.61
UTG: $2.77
UTG+1: $1.29
MP: $1
MP+1: $2.41
MP+2: $1.85
CO: $1.36
BTN: $1.90

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB and dealt
4 folds, MP+2 calls $0.02, CO raises to $0.16, BTN folds, Hero raises to $2.20 (All-in), 2 folds, CO calls $1.20, Hero returned $0.84

Flop: ($2.76) (2 players)

Turn: ($2.76) (2 players)

River: ($2.76) (2 players)

Final Pot: $2.76

Showdown:
Hero shows (a pair of queens)
CO shows (a pair of nines)
Outcome: Hero wins $2.63

Villain was a maniac 50/35 stealing 40% and was looking for action, so was the right time.

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Also, because have the chance to table select get all the rocks to my left which help to punish them and stealing a lot. Some times with any two.

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Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (8 players)

SB: $2
BB: $1.98
UTG: $2
UTG+1: $1.75
MP: $0.98
MP+1: $0.80
CO: $1.20
BTN Hero: $2.01

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN and dealt
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, 2 folds, Hero returned $0.05
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Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (7 players)

SB: $1.34
BB: $4.45
UTG: $1.14
MP: $0.62
MP+1: $2.03
CO: $0.50
BTN Hero: $2

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN and dealt
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero returned $0.04

Final Pot: $0.05

Something that still not figure out is about buyin amount, usually buyin with $2 and have auto reload on, but see a lot of players that enter with $5, but only time that read about this was mention that should just enter with $2 because if want to enter with $5 is better to go to a 5nl table which make sense, but some times the ones that enter with $5 in 2nl are really bad players just looking to give the stack to anyone so not sure, any comments about this?.

 

[micromachine]

Something that still not figure out is about buyin amount, usually buyin with $2 and have auto reload on, but see a lot of players that enter with $5, but only time that read about this was mention that should just enter with $2 because if want to enter with $5 is better to go to a 5nl table which make sense, but some times the ones that enter with $5 in 2nl are really bad players just looking to give the stack to anyone so not sure, any comments about this?.

Yeah I also wonder whether I should be buying in for $5 sometimes instead of my usual $2. I might start going somewhere inbetween, like $3, if there are some big stacks at the table. One reason I don't like buying in full is that there are some players that buy in full, then just use that big stack to bully you with and bluff shove. With a good but not nut hand I would be happy to call with $2 but not with $5 just in case this time they really do have something!

 

[imwatcher]

Logan graphs will hardly look steady after 1k hands, dont ever come to expect that... dont look at much in these little bundles you have to look at the big picture... i feel like when people see their stats after like 1-5k hands and its looser or tighter or just different than what they think they should be, they adjust/overadjust when really it was just varience and it didnt need adjusting... I am not even sure what I am saying beside be careful in looking into much with these sample sizes

 

[taaron]

Logan graphs will hardly look steady after 1k hands, dont ever come to expect that... dont look at much in these little bundles you have to look at the big picture... i feel like when people see their stats after like 1-5k hands and its looser or tighter or just different than what they think they should be, they adjust/overadjust when really it was just varience and it didnt need adjusting... I am not even sure what I am saying beside be careful in looking into much with these sample sizes

Think that is really good analysis!. . .thanks watcher;

about the BI amounts; at Minted poker the max for 2nl is a $2 BI. . .must be dif. at PS;
i love the ones that just buy min. which is like 40 cents. . .hhhmmmm.. ..

 

[brank]

If you feel like you have any edge on players BI for $5. Your BR will thank you.

 

[Logan2]

Logan graphs will hardly look steady after 1k hands, dont ever come to expect that... dont look at much in these little bundles you have to look at the big picture... i feel like when people see their stats after like 1-5k hands and its looser or tighter or just different than what they think they should be, they adjust/overadjust when really it was just varience and it didnt need adjusting... I am not even sure what I am saying beside be careful in looking into much with these sample sizes

I know what your saying and agree, 1k hands is a joke but steady not was refering to no big swings or that i am playing just good, was more in the line of finally getting up and up and not up/down all the time. I know that some times we are so results oriented that if see a pretty line we think are playing great and if is ugly then we suck, but that is why we need to review hands and study very often. At least i think im honest enough to know that still need to improve a lot.

about the BI amounts; at Minted poker the max for 2nl is a $2 BI. . .must be dif. at PS;
i love the ones that just buy min. which is like 40 cents. . .hhhmmmm.. ..

There is different tables in 2nl on Stars, some are cap at 20-40bb´s (80c), some are 100bb´s ($2), some are deep stacked 250bb´s ($5). Some are regular some are faster.

If you feel like you have any edge on players BI for $5. Your BR will thank you.

Thanks, and yes make sense, i guess some times is not worth if have a table full of tight players which not going to stack me unless have me beat or can end in coolers for both ways, but some tables with very bad maniacs make me think that could be +ev to buyin with $5.

But in the other hand was wondering if gameplay will be a lot different, not want to end playing wider just because have more money there and looks easy to spew more chips, example with $2 if see someone with 50c left some times looks so easy to call wider because looks so small amount (which is stupid i know), so with $5 could be dangerous because maybe if see some one with $1 could look easy to call having $5 vs having only $2. Also i guess people will 3bet/4bet more with deep stacks, chasing more, etc. So i think already answer my question, lol.

 

[brank]

Always pay attention to effective stack sizes. Same as when you played SnGs. You can only win as much as your opponent has. If Having 250bbs will make you play differently in that way then I wouldnt suggest doing it.

 

[Logan2]

Always pay attention to effective stack sizes. Same as when you played SnGs. You can only win as much as your opponent has. If Having 250bbs will make you play differently in that way then I wouldnt suggest doing it.

I buyin with $3 today on some tables with villains having $3+, i think $3 will be good enough to not be pushed back, to get little more $ in good spots and also to not go wild because is not a huge difference, i think this amount could work fine. Thanks.

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Not much to report, 3 sessions and ended BE.

At least color code a lot more players, but not much action or cards today.




Standard fold i think.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em (7 players)

SB: $2.19
BB: $1.80
UTG Hero: $2.22
MP: $1.25
MP+1: $0.70
CO: $3.24
BTN: $0.98

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG and dealt
Hero raises to $0.08, MP raises to $0.36, MP+1 raises to $0.70 (All-in),

MP+1 is 80/20 but just 5 hands so kind of irrelevant
MP is 8/3 on 30 hands which is not much but adding the 4.5x 3bet i think enough to get out of the way.

4 folds, Hero folds, MP calls $0.34

Flop: ($1.51) (2 players)

Turn: ($1.51) (2 players)

River: ($1.51) (2 players)

Final Pot: $1.51

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Showdown:
MP shows (a pair of aces)
MP+1 shows (a pair of tens)
Outcome: MP wins $1.44

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Have a great weekend people.

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[Logan2]

I guess better than losing but meh.

 

[fletchdad]

Subscribing.

I have been an exclusive STT/MTT player, and put lots of time into learning these formats and how to play/adjust to the different stages and all that goes along with it.

Decided to play more volume and more serious.

And, somehow, now want to add cash games into my schedule. So I am very interested in following threads like this.

GL Logan.

 

[Logan2]

Thx fletchdad.

Couple things that cash is going to help if keep playing donkaments i think, is the better postflop play with deep stacks that you will get, and also lower your variance. After all the high variance in MTT´s/S&G´s is refreshing to be playing something like this. GL to you too.
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Last night start using the trial of leak buster and spot 2 major leaks that need to fix asap, also have 2-3 minor leaks which will be working too, let´s see how things go today. Another thing that notice comparing with previews months playing S&G´s is that been playing a lot less time in cash, i think need some goals for next month.

 

[Logan2]

Last 3 days been mixing 2nl/5nl, running under ev at the time but still feel not making huge mistakes and mostly having bad luck, not tilting which is great and studying/reviewing a lot, so i think will be better soon.



Results from last 3 days 2nl/5nl mixed.

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Last 3 days just 2nl

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Last 3days just 5nl

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-$4 total i guess is not that bad considering is less than 1bi in 5nl, just need my hands hold and keep studying, also notice that loses are from 2nl and manage to get BE little + in 5nl and still under ev, so i think in general been ok.

And a good result today with my 210fpp satty, ended in the top 6 and get T$11, so 2/3 this month in that one which mean $22 in rakeback, not bad for 2nl. I don´t need the T$11 and probably selling tomorrow for $10.80 in 2+2 market, but if anyone in here wanted, send me a PM, prefer to give the 20c to a CC member.

Cheers.

 

[acky100]

Dont ever worry about being like 1 or 2 buyins down, you're under EV also so keep grinding and the results will follow! well played.

Also, if you want a rapid trade for tourney dollars heres a link for 97% which is still pretty cool; http://www.liquidpoker.net/sell_tournament_dollars.php

 

[Logan2]

Yep, just need to keep grinding and not tilt.

I change my T$ in here at 98% http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...l-w-t-here-291728/index1376.html#post28986796 it only takes around 1 minute and you get like 3 different PM´s (already do it before). But still always good to keep another option. Thanks Acky.

 

[Logan2]

My mistake, looking to my last transaction there i get $10.90, so is 99%, not sure why say $10.80.