***2012 PLO Thread***

[Makwa]

Secondly, I want to make supernova this year. While that is only 100k hands at 200PLO or 150k hands at 100PLO... I will start off at 50PLO and just try to get into the grinding mode early and then move up. While I am currently rolled for 200PLO, I think it is important for me to avoid an early downswing and just play through volume to build up a reasonable amount of volume and confidence.

Congrats and GL with yr goals. arty:
Question: What roll would a person want to have for such strategy?

 

[jbbb]

I keep overestimating my equity in pots

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
820 trials (Exhaustive)
board:

Hand |Pot equity |Wins |Ties
Ac Jc As 7s|32.93% |270|0
9s 9d 7h 8d|67.07% |550|0

Before I put it in PPT I thought I had about 40% give or take 3% each way.
From this hand, is stacking with NFD for 50bb ok here?


pokerstars Pot-Limit Omaha, €0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP (€3.12)
CO (€5.53)
Button (€1.26)
SB (€6.17)
Hero (BB) (€6.73)
UTG (€7.74)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

, A

, J

, A

3 folds, Button calls €0.05, SB calls €0.03, Hero bets €0.20, Button calls €0.15, 1 fold

Flop: (€0.45) 9

, 6

, 2

(2 players)
Hero bets €0.35, Button raises to €0.70, Hero raises to €2.53, Button calls €0.36 (All-In)

Turn: (€2.57) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (€2.57) 8

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: €2.57 | Rake: €0.12

 

[Marginal]

Congrats and GL with yr goals. arty:
Question: What roll would a person want to have for such strategy?

About 100BI for 200plo.

 

[Marginal]

I keep overestimating my equity in pots

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
820 trials (Exhaustive)
board:

Hand |Pot equity |Wins |Ties
Ac Jc As 7s|32.93% |270|0
9s 9d 7h 8d|67.07% |550|0

Before I put it in PPT I thought I had about 40% give or take 3% each way.
From this hand, is stacking with NFD for 50bb ok here?


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, €0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP (€3.12)
CO (€5.53)
Button (€1.26)
SB (€6.17)
Hero (BB) (€6.73)
UTG (€7.74)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7

, A

, J

, A

3 folds, Button calls €0.05, SB calls €0.03, Hero bets €0.20, Button calls €0.15, 1 fold

Flop: (€0.45) 9

, 6

, 2

(2 players)
Hero bets €0.35, Button raises to €0.70, Hero raises to €2.53, Button calls €0.36 (All-In)

Turn: (€2.57) Q

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (€2.57) 8

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: €2.57 | Rake: €0.12

Yea that is completely normal. Remember top set is the tippy top of his range. Most of his hands come down to wraps etc and some odd pair and flush draw type hands. We are very much ahead of a range here to the point that we can get it in, Obv our flush draws means that the worst we have is 32%

 

[baudib1]

you are never folding 10 clean outs o the stone-cold nuts, don't worry about it.

 

[jbbb]

Ok good, just checking I played it alright and i'm not spewing. Had a good session today, ended up +$ which is unusual, but yet to upgrade PT to PLO so don't know exactly how much.
I'm starting to get a hand of beating micro PLO too. c-betting HU is EXTREMELY profitable, aswell as 3betting because people just play fit or fold on every flop. I still only threebet good hands though which may be a leak.
Enjoying this thread and it's not even 2012 yet.

 

[baudib1]

The fun part is where you 3-bet, get 4-bet by a nit. When you can put them squarely on AAxx you can stack off on any flop where you hit bottom pair or a gutshot (barring Axx boards).

 

[Marginal]

Ok good, just checking I played it alright and i'm not spewing. Had a good session today, ended up +$ which is unusual, but yet to upgrade PT to PLO so don't know exactly how much.
I'm starting to get a hand of beating micro PLO too. c-betting HU is EXTREMELY profitable, aswell as 3betting because people just play fit or fold on every flop. I still only threebet good hands though which may be a leak.
Enjoying this thread and it's not even 2012 yet.

Yea, this is a good realization cause you will see your NSD winnings go up substantially. What is your 3 bet %? Personally I think for the micros that at the micros you are good going at it at close to 10% because no one adjusts.

The fun part is where you 3-bet, get 4-bet by a nit. When you can put them squarely on AAxx you can stack off on any flop where you hit bottom pair or a gutshot (barring Axx boards).

Yep and this is also why we should 3 bet and 4 bet more. Because not only do most ppl dont know this but we can represent so many big hands that we are good to go.

 

[MaxiRodriguez]

Starting a session now, I don't 3bet enough imo and im far too weak tight. This has to stop, im gonna 3bet a lot. should be interesting, brb.

 

[Marginal]

Howd it go, pretty long session

 

[jbbb]

4 videos down and I already feel like a much more solid player preflop and more comforatble post flop. Just another 80 to go

 

[MaxiRodriguez]

Howd it go, pretty long session

Haha yeah,,, It was actually mb only 2hrs long, kinda steamed it a bit in fairness, some life tilt kicked in with some company messing up my order for this ski jacket... long boring story. So I come make some essay of a post that doesn't post because it some how signed me out :S

Anyway I went to bed, wake up now and this hand is still sitting around so hey


iPoker - $0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $19.70
SB: $28.22
BB: $28.81
Hero (UTG): $20.82
CO: $21.43

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has T:diamond: Q:diamond: A:spade: K:heart:

Hero raises to $0.70, fold, fold, SB calls $0.60, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.10, 3 players) Q:heart: 9:spade: 2:club:
SB bets $1.00, BB calls $1.00, Hero raises to $4.20, fold, BB calls $3.20

Turn: ($11.50, 2 players) 7:heart:
BB checks, Hero bets because this is a cool turn card?

Sb is massive fish, this was kinda during the steam period and as soon as i had clicked raise, i had raisers remorse, I wanna keep fish in pot no bad turn etc etc, but my autopilot didn't consider this, it just wanted to take the pot down and attack the weakness shown and fold out equity. As played we can barrel here? His range is mb wraps? slim chance of slow playing set wanting a check raise Q9 is going to maybe require a third barrel?

BB was a 15/13 so after he called i thought i must make him fold, rather than playing a managable pot in postion with marginal hand or something. sigh, i'm bad at this plo larky and this wasn't even a 3b hand! strangly the 3b went okay this session.

 

[Poof]

It is not even 2012 yet, how is this thread on page 3, lol

 

[Marginal]

Haha yeah,,, It was actually mb only 2hrs long, kinda steamed it a bit in fairness, some life tilt kicked in with some company messing up my order for this ski jacket... long boring story. So I come make some essay of a post that doesn't post because it some how signed me out :S

Anyway I went to bed, wake up now and this hand is still sitting around so hey


iPoker - $0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $19.70
SB: $28.22
BB: $28.81
Hero (UTG): $20.82
CO: $21.43

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has T<font color='red'>♦</font> Q<font color='red'>♦</font> A<font color='black'>♠</font> K<font color='red'>♥</font>

Hero raises to $0.70, fold, fold, SB calls $0.60, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.10, 3 players) Q<font color='red'>♥</font> 9<font color='black'>♠</font> 2<font color='black'>♣</font>
SB bets $1.00, BB calls $1.00, Hero raises to $4.20, fold, BB calls $3.20

Turn: ($11.50, 2 players) 7<font color='red'>♥</font>
BB checks, Hero bets because this is a cool turn card?

Sb is massive fish, this was kinda during the steam period and as soon as i had clicked raise, i had raisers remorse, I wanna keep fish in pot no bad turn etc etc, but my autopilot didn't consider this, it just wanted to take the pot down and attack the weakness shown and fold out equity. As played we can barrel here? His range is mb wraps? slim chance of slow playing set wanting a check raise Q9 is going to maybe require a third barrel?

BB was a 15/13 so after he called i thought i must make him fold, rather than playing a managable pot in postion with marginal hand or something. sigh, i'm bad at this plo larky and this wasn't even a 3b hand! strangly the 3b went okay this session.

Im not sure how we raise this flop but I think you realize that, its not for value and it is such a dry board, ppl will look you up with 2 pair type hands.

Im not sure what folds the turn that calls flop, maybe Q2xx type hands? but the turn puts another dimension with the hearts and more straight opportunities. Even with that said, since he is a nit, I think we can double barrell and expect some 2 pair hands to fold and some JTxx hands etc.

 

[baudib1]

it's actually totally Ok to just fold the flop although it seems really nitty. I'd probably call; raising is worst option. you can bet this turn but I'd make it small, his range is going to be a lot of 999, Q9, QJTx and just check the river if you don't hit your gutter.

 

[MaxiRodriguez]

If we have complete air here, can a raise be justified given the weakness shown? or should it just be avoided.

 

[Marginal]

Maxi, they are not showing weakness, they donked into us and their is a call in the middle, the board is so dry that we are seeing 2 pair+ sets here more often than not.

 

[beardyian]

Dabbling more with this game & found the thread - so will read with interest

 

[baudib1]

I agree with Marg, in general their ranges are pretty strong, a nit is totally flatting middle set when squeezed between a flop donk and Pfr.

If I had AA73 I'd probably fold the flop, this hand is a bit better than a naked overpair (more equity plus blocking a few sets/wraps)

 

[jbbb]

Marg how does PS changing to WC change your plans for SN in 2012?

 

[Marginal]

Not much. I would still be looking to make like 150k next year. might be small (125k) but not too bad.

 

[MaxiRodriguez]

It's the flat from the nit that kills this hand isn't it?, I know I'm kinda beating a dead horse here lol , but when the fish half pot donks into my I've typically always seen this as a weakness.

As the above hand shows sometimes I let that override many other important factors such as a nit flatting but alas, I have a long way to go.

 

[baudib1]

couple of possible scenarios, first one you're ahead with TPTK vs. fish's random weak top-pair hand and BB's 3-card wrap.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/show?b=Qh9s2c&g=oh&h1=AsKhQdTd&h2=Q873&h3=KJT*&s=generic

So you have 40% equity

but if either one has 2 pair your equity drops to like 18%

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations/show?b=Qh9s2c&g=oh&h1=AsKhQdTd&h2=Q973&h3=KJT8&s=generic

This doesn't include many worse scenarios in which our only live cards are T and we are sometimes/often getting freerolled when we hit.

 

[vanquish]

hi PLO thread

 

[jbbb]

Posting in PLO thread is guaranteed rungood for 2012. Fact.