KQ shove ?

late in live torney 10 handed table 20 players left 6 get paid
blinds 2000-4000 ante 300 average stack 40k chip leader 80k
table dinamics not tight and not loose either about average aggression , not many short stacks at the table , one player in md with about 15k left
bb has about 40k
How many of you shoving 40k stack here utg with KQo ?

Ave stack is only 10bb's? With Ante's? Looks like everyone at the table is short! You don't mention your stack but I'm assuming your in the same boat. I'd rather not have to make this decision UTG, but IMO KQs is a strong enough hand to shove here. In the late stages of a tourney with the blinds and ante's so high and being so close to the money you have more fold equity not less. Even from UTG you'll take this down without a fight a lot of the times. KQs is not a powerhouse but it holds up well against most pairs and some strongish Ax hands. Open folding seems a bit too nitty and with less than 10bb's raising anything less than all-in is just a waste of chips.

Yeah borderline decision for me as we likely get called with any Ace, but as long as its AJ or less I don't mind taking those odds...

Close but probably folding.

In a STT 9-handed SnG its normaly a push with antes, and a fold without antes. Im thinking it about the same thing here.
If we will be called by any Ax however it would be a fold.

The hand is KQo not suited. everyone is preety much in the same boat here , Ive got average chips. I think the decision to push here becomes marginal only because of the high blind to stack ratio for the whole table, the big stack has only 20 bb and the average has 10bb so anybodys game here. If for instance the stacks were deaper , eg average chips 120k(30bb) and were sitting on 40k ( 10bb) we are the short stack compared to the table, in this situation im shoving everytime.

but I definetly see your case for shoving here , although a preety marginal spot for me , we are under alot of pressure and a double up puts us in a good spot to steal some blinds to grow the stack further .

Yea kanselau I agree with your train of thought. If the table isn't overly passive, I'd muck this KQo here and try to get it in in position even if its a weaker hand. The important part is that everyone else is super short as well. The players will all start dropping like flies and I feel like even though we are short, we can wait for a better shove spot. Unless my table is overly passive, Im mucking here.

I dont mind either way, depending on table reads/buyin level. obv a heap better if it was suited.

Its very close but i would probably fold here, as your probably only going to get called by a stonger hand, but with the blinds and ante's in the pot and everyone so close to the money, not wanting to risk their stack, maybe a push not so bad.

ya i would shove if it were s00ted

I'd also shove from MP, but 10-handed it's really rough trying to get through 9 people.

Narrow decision - I'd fold KQo utg here since it's very likely you'd get at least one Ax / pp caller here. Mid/late pos w/o resistance I'd instashove that too.

utg with kQo i am never jamming all in there. A raise can let you know where your hand is at you dont need to shove there. usually a raise would take it down, alos if you go all in usually with kq off suit the only hands that are gonna call you beat you for instance any pair or any ace high which is a wide range of the hands that would prolly call an open shove.
Hope that helps!
TTYL

I dont like kq os utg at all i would just fold still enough of a stack to find a better situation...in later Mid to Late position i would play this hand but dont like this hand in early position at all not with a full ring...fold and wait for a better opportunity or even shorter stack where your options are more limited. If for some reason I did decide to play it i would probably min bet and see the flop ...than play it from there and easy enough to get away from if reraised by a solid player.

Btw - minbetting never achieves anything - just let it go.... or if you have a very tight table any 2.5+ raise will fold everything out save 1010+ and AQ+.

I'm sure not going to shove in 1st position. There would be no reason for me to believe I could run the gauntlet of 9 people when the average is holding only 10BB and looking for any reason to get it all in. Any caller is an Ax or PP and both of those put me in a bad place. Hell some jackwagon with 44 calls me and I'm behind. I'll wait for position.

if you shove and get called by 44 it's a good thing.

+1. But if we shove and get called by A2-AJ are we getting enough equity with the dead money?

With a 9k starting pot (2k + 4k + 3k in antes), I adjust the BB to think about it being about 6k. This means that we have under 7 big blinds, and I would shove this UTG.

Part of that is affected by the fact that I am woman and I tend to have way more fold equity than I should in these situations.

lol so you suggest only a woman should shove KQ in this spot ?, but you are right a woman player is always seen as more conservative than a man.

I don't mind shoving <10 BBs here with KQo at all. Sure we have to get through 9 other players that might call with Ax but unless they're calling with AQ+ or QQ+, we're not that bad off. And given the sizes of the blinds and our stack, I rather risk my tourney here with a strong hand than to and try and wait for a better situation. But that's just me.

I think a dude should still shove here, but my image does make me more likely to shove.

As a dude, I like shoving and then flirting with everyone. Maybe touching a couple thighs...

Thankyou all for sharing your ideas here , it seems that this is a very close decision on wether to fold or shove. For me it would probably be read dependant , if i felt that the table overall is playing tight then I think ill shove this , if it is looser then I just fold.
I also think that alot of people loose tornaments because they see that they have only 10bb and go crazy pushing very marinal hands , If everyone is short-stacked you can allow yourself to blind down a little shorter than the perceived 10 big blind cutoff, as even with less than that you’ll still have fold equity. For example, if your 5BB shove is going to cost the majority of players half their stack to call they’ll often fold to protect their own stack.

wow, creepy.

Oh yes, this just happened to me. I shoved KQo UTG and was called by 44 in the small blind. I shot out of my seat, pumping my fist, screaming, "Yes, Yes, Yes!!! Thank you Poker Gods!!!!!"



I was then asked to leave.

i like these questions, its a real tight one, i think for me personally, due to the antes its a shove, but neither folding or shoving is wrong

however, those suggesting just a raise. i think thats a horrible move

Well what do you know - this just happened to me last night - live 40 man $50 tourney at the final table. I look at KQ and shove my 10bb stack only to have AKs rammed down my throat when the guy flops a nut flush. And I'm the guy who wrote I would fold. Actions speak louder than words.

Not pushing from UTG in that situation. I'll call a push W/KQo at that table, for sure. But from UTG, Imma try to see the flop cheap.


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i think i shove there with only 10bb left and antes and blinds climbing ,,, i like the play