Topping off?

#1 26th January 2012, 8:37 PM

So, every time I'm playing at a cash game table, lets say .25/.5nl, i always see people buy in for maximum and then when they lose a hand or even when they lose a blind, they top it off again. My question is.. is there a benefit to doing this? Also, is it bad to not play without buying in with max?

#2 26th January 2012, 8:45 PM

Yes and yes.

If you don't start a hand with 100bb how are you going to win a 100bb on that hand???

#3 26th January 2012, 9:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

Yes and yes.

If you don't start a hand with 100bb how are you going to win a 100bb on that hand???

Sound like you saying that player stays already to win a 100% profit in an all in. Isn't that a reckless player?

#4 26th January 2012, 9:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckickenking

Sound like you saying that player stays already to win a 100% profit in an all in. Isn't that a reckless player?

What?

#5 26th January 2012, 9:14 PM

2 possible scenarios of the same hand.

I have 100 BB and AA on the button.

SB has 110 BB and AKo.

I have a pretty loose image at the table. I just lost a big pot and could seem tilted.....

I raise to 3 BB, SB 3 bets me 8 BB, I 4 bet 27 BB SB shoves I call.

Flop comes 3 7 Js, turn Jd, river Jh.

Do the same hand but give me 60 BB.

Do the math.

Full stacks FTW.

You COULD say "But if I only have 60 BB I cant lose 100". But this is very bad thinking

DUCY?

EDIT. A beginner should perhaps play 60 BB stacks at first, but on the other hand a beginner should not be playing 50nl.

#6 26th January 2012, 9:42 PM

Or if you BI for max you win 110 BB instead of 100 you do with auto top-up. I just leave it set for max and top up at that.

#7 26th January 2012, 10:20 PM

more you have in more you can win as long as your not reckless and watch that bankroll

#8 26th January 2012, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVHillbilly

Yes and yes.

If you don't start a hand with 100bb how are you going to win a 100bb on that hand???

THIS

#9 26th January 2012, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckickenking

Sound like you saying that player stays already to win a 100% profit in an all in. Isn't that a reckless player?

No AIC this.

#10 27th January 2012, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckickenking

Sound like you saying that player stays already to win a 100% profit in an all in. Isn't that a reckless player?

Possible, but there is also the smart player who knows he's going to run into a few donks in the micros and low limits who actually will stack off against him - many times with TPTK.

#11 27th January 2012, 2:25 AM

Haha thanks guys, this is all very helpful. The .5nl was just an example. But you guys have given me a general idea, Thanks.

#12 27th January 2012, 2:53 AM

Buying in short or allowing your stack to dwindle robs you of another valuable asset , the threat of what you might bet can be a great tool .I used to play shortstacked and it seemed I would get drawn out on often , it wasn't that others drew out on me any more than anybody else , they just had the odds to draw and there was no implied threat that I would raise .

#13 27th January 2012, 3:34 AM

Hey phonejack,

I picked up on this from another CC thread a few weeks back. Now I am buying in for max and keeping topped up and it is making a huge +ve difference.

Biggest difference I have noticed is that being fully loaded gives me a lot more tools if I need them.

good luck.

CuttleFish

#14 27th January 2012, 7:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueNowhere

Or if you BI for max you win 110 BB instead of 100 you do with auto top-up. I just leave it set for max and top up at that.

If the max is more than 100 BB. But, yea, max is the BI for the best +ev play - providing you know where your fold button is when appropriate.....

#15 27th January 2012, 7:30 AM

I Like this threads thinking. personally iw ould auto top it off too, but some players can lose track of there bankroll if they don't monitor this actively enough. Now imgaine you have 4+ tables open at once and your auto toping things off your bankroll could change consierably without your recilection unless your awefully aware and careful. I still however think the arguement of if you have more you win more is better than if you have less you lose less! but IM a gambler hahaha

#16 27th January 2012, 7:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JOEBOB69

No AIC this.

Nice Joebob

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