| This is a discussion on Why is donk betting so bad? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; As the title states; Why is donk betting so bad? I mean, can't we all think of situtations where it is the right thing to ... |
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| Why is donk betting so bad? As the title states; Why is donk betting so bad? I mean, can't we all think of situtations where it is the right thing to do? |
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| I think its usually seen as bad because for it to happen, someone in late position has to 3bet preflop, which indicates a high Pair or AK type hand. Then on the flop, the person in early position feels that they are c-betting so they donk bet. But the preflop action dictates that the person in late position most likely has a high over pair hand or TPTK so will in turn 3bet the flop. So really donk betting the flop (when done as a c-bet) just over inflates the pot making a turn steal very expensive. Against most players, a 3 bet in late position means they have the type of hand that will be good on most flops, so raising with the intention of pushing them off it is completely pointless... hence its a donk bet. There are situations where it works, but before you can understand them you must first understand why its usually a bad thing to do. |
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preflop: everybody folds, BTN open raises, SB folds, BB calls. flop: BB donk bets. This is by far the most common donk betting scenario. |
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I think the reason they do this is that it will often work. It all depends on who you are playing. I will donk bet if it i hit the flop hard and hope the raiser thinks i am donk betting and plays back at me. |
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| It's not bad at all. It is kinda bad in the way it is most used, which is hmm I have a medium hand I'll see where I'm at and donk small and fold to a raise. But if you balance or just use it to exploit what people think it means, it's definitely a solid part of an overall strategy. I know HU players use it a lot and against many players I think calling preflop and mixing donks and check-raises as bluffs along with value bets can be a good way to mix it up instead of just 3-betting or folding 100% of the time. |
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Donk betting is not different from any other type of betting. You want to bet the top of your range for value and the bottom of your range as bluff provided you can assume you'll have some fold equity. And you don't want to bet the middle of your range since you can catch villain's bluffs with it. That's what a lot of fishes do incorrectly. They'll donk the flop because they have second pair and want to know where they stand. And for some strange reason they expect their opponent to respond truthfully... |
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But Like Zack says, seems like it can be useful to know where you stand. Let's say you have AT suited, hit middle pair and a nut flush draw. If you don't raise, what are the chances the original better will check? You might get him to fold with any smallish - medium bet post-flop if he missed. No? Sometimes I think that checking in these situations invites the original raiser to come back with a huge bet (bluff). |
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Betting hands of medium strenght to know where you stand is horrible, especially oop. You fold out any hand that you beat and give money to any hand that beats you. Which is the exact opposite of the good reasons for betting (folding better hands and getting value from weaker ones) Quote:
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| re: Why is donk betting so bad? poker next person to post in this thread without clearly having at least vaguely understood the topic and not just having seen the word "donk" and taken it as a license to post garbage gets banned for a week. (i.e. i've had to clean this thread up and i don't like having to do work) Last edited by Dorkus Malorkus : 6th May 2009 at 4:28 PM. |
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Donk Bet like it's said up there is betting into the initial raisor out of position. A STOP and GO is calling a preflop raise with the intention of pushing post flop if the board is right usually as SB or BB when either raises... The big diff is the latter, you have the intent of pushing before you called preflop but donk betting is well.. dumb (to answer the question above) because you know most likely the initial aggressor is going to raise over you. On times that can be a smart move is... you know your opponent has weak holdings coz he is a LAG and you're trying to scare him off the pot. You've actually value betting coz you've hit the nuts or hit the flop hard... Rule of thumb is donk bets are only good for inducing bets IMHO. |
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| there were a couple questions on when to "donk" bet. if i flop a set i'm most likely to "donk" bet. when i flop a set i want to protect my hand on wet boards. if deep stacked i find a "donk" bet is the best way to get all in by the river. especially if the villian is capable of checking a made hand behind for pot control. what i've been doing lately is "donk" betting w/a smallish bet making it look like a "blocking" bet trying to name my price on a draw heavy board. i'm finding if the OR has a made hand they got no problem raising then calling a big 3bet by my on the flop. if however i flop a set and the board is dry and the active stacks are smaller i may check/call the flop. but for the most pard i'm leading out w/ a strong made hand. |
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Board: Ks Td 6s equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 51.313% 51.31% 00.00% 508 0.00 { AsTs } Hand 1: 48.687% 48.69% 00.00% 482 0.00 { KhQh } And a lot of people will actually fold top pair against a lot of aggression, so if you add fold equity, getting it all-in on flop with a pair + over + nut flush draws is pretty standard. |
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| Donk Betting works best IMO 1) against 2 opponents, after a pre-flop raise and with one caller and you are in one of the blinds 2) on a flop that is likely to have missed the opponents, 5 3 2/ Q 6 6 ... When you do this you should bet half the pot or a little less, but I think you should wait to donkbet, untill you have been at a table for a while and you have some notion on how your opponents play. |
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Note that only getting called by sets is a wonderful result. It means you are getting the maximum benefit from fold equity against the major part of his range (top pairs) that has 50-50 equity in the pot but folds. And you still have 30% equity against the sets. |
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Last edited by cardplayer52 : 6th May 2009 at 6:13 PM. |
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| A donk bet can be bad, Because a check to the preflop raiser should by all accounts end up with a mandatory bet. (90%) -If you fail to make a C-bet your loosing money in the long run and it helps diguise the times you make a great hand and everyone just expects you to try and steal the pot after the flop. With this in mind, if you donk bet your not giving the preflop raiser any chance to try to steal the pot. If you bet into him and he missed he can fold too easily without investing any more chips so your now loosing money by DONKING. Thats how i see it anyway Last edited by KardKlub : 6th May 2009 at 7:12 PM. Reason: missed word |
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As has been said, there is a time and place for it. Most people are just wrong when they do it. |
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Heres my view.... When playing tight players a raise can get them to fold, and when you have a table that won't fold to a raise at a 2NL table it is best to limp in....... case in point AK back to back raised the 1st on .10 in the BB and won with ACE high, the 2nd hand i limped in and won well hitting an A, an a K, even took down a bigger pot the 2nd time.... I thought it would look "ODD" doing the same raise back to back, thought i would set a trap up.... 1st time i thought i was beat, and the 2nd time i would try a trap.... I think my point is that you got better odds when raising...., I will post the 2 hands, to see how good i did, in the right place. P.S zack i had to do it base on the table... |
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| re: Why is donk betting so bad? poker Quote:
[x] tests the banning threat [?] level tbh, I think if you want to get voluntarily banned for a week, you can just ask the mods. No need to spam the threads until they oblige... |
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